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I was dating a woman (divorced twice with other failed relationships) who complained about the "lack of support and appreciation" from her ex. Now this is a broad area but I really tried hard to provide what I consider to be important including things she likely didn't notice. She dumped me quickly.
Recently, she was quite animated. Her current beau had bought her a bunch of jewelry and she was showing it off. "A ruby, a sapphire, and I don't even wear jewelry" was one comment.
I then recalled that she had criticized her ex for not bringing home gifts from his very frequent business trips. (Women who do this would never consider it their place to reverse this.)
As we were leaving, a friend familiar with our history said "You really dodged a bullet, there!"
I wish I had a video of her diatribe to give her when her current relationship ends.
She was at it again tonight. I guess that the other women are getting fed up with her shoving her jewelry in their face. One told her a bracelet was "ugly" and her response was a lot like the shaming language used here.
School girls in love were such a pain but to see this in a twice divorced middle aged woman is difficult for some. I just love the entertainment value and thank my lucky stars I'm not paying off a divorce settlement.
She was at it again tonight. I guess that the other women are getting fed up with her shoving her jewelry in their face. One told her a bracelet was "ugly" and her response was a lot like the shaming language used here.
School girls in love were such a pain but to see this in a twice divorced middle aged woman is difficult for some. I just love the entertainment value and thank my lucky stars I'm not paying off a divorce settlement.
The people in your life sound so cartoonish. Have you ever seen the movie Edward scissor hands? I picture you living in that kind of community.
Ths "shaming language" used earlier was not intended to be such. Seriously, NotARedneck, I meant what I said. You sound like an intelligent guy with a lot to offer. I just hate to see bitterness stop anyone from finding happiness.
I never said there weren't women like you describe. My point is that there are men like that as well...but MOST people try to do their best.
I am sorry you got a bad woman.
What's to debate? I have my experiences and observations. At times, women posting on this site have tried to deny that they occurred. This isn't debate, just sophistry. Other than that, there:
1) is a lot of shaming language going on.
2) women trying to convince us that their relationship monopoly powers are good for us and we need to continue to jump at the opportunity for more.
3) a really desperate fear that the cats out of the bag and it will be very painful to put it back.
I suppose that after 4 decades of being supported by largely bogus academic research from the women's studies programs, its a little difficult to come up with good, well reasoned arguments now that men are finally catching on and fighting back.
Frankly, I think we are all guilty of generalizing our individual experiences to the world. So when one of us hears, "All men/women/children/aliens do/are/have X" we get the urge to say, "Not true. I/my friend/my family etc.never do/are/have X, we do/are/have Y" and then hunt up research to show why our experiences are the norm.
Frankly, I think we are all guilty of generalizing our individual experiences to the world. So when one of us hears, "All men/women/children/aliens do/are/have X" we get the urge to say, "Not true. I/my friend/my family etc.never do/are/have X, we do/are/have Y" and then hunt up research to show why our experiences are the norm.
Hi typhoidmary,
That is how one properly critiques a generalization. Applying individual anecdotes to either affirm or deny a trend is idiotic. However citing a general tendency that is well founded is not, such as men finding women attractive. We know not all men find women attractive, its simply exceptional when they do not.
That is how one properly critiques a generalization. Applying individual anecdotes to either affirm or deny a trend is idiotic. However citing a general tendency that is well founded is not, such as men finding women attractive. We know not all men find women attractive, its simply exceptional when they do not.
Exactly. An individual experience is one discrete event, not a trend and for every trend (or general tendency) there are going to be outliers. And, of course, one can find plenty of evidence out there to support whatever trend one wishes to promote Not to knock economists, but this joke has an air of truth for anyone trying to prove a point with imperfect data:
A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job.
The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks "What do two plus two equal?" The mathematician replies "Four." The interviewer asks "Four, exactly?" The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says "Yes, four, exactly."
Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The accountant says "On average, four - give or take ten percent, but on average, four."
Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer and says, "What do you want it to equal"?
That is how one properly critiques a generalization. Applying individual anecdotes to either affirm or deny a trend is idiotic. However citing a general tendency that is well founded is not, such as men finding women attractive. We know not all men find women attractive, its simply exceptional when they do not.
But, Gwynned, sharing anecdotes and experiences is the hallmark of a good conversation. This thread has devolved into people preaching and lecturing each other, trying to prove themselves right and others wrong, with an adversarial affect. This is an internet forum, not an academic conference.
I was just watching "black hole sun" on youtube and that reminds me as well. lol
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Not to knock economists, but this joke has an air of truth for anyone trying to prove a point with imperfect data: 
