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Not sure what denomination you are but OT & NT are both God's word. Therefore we are to abide by both...if that weren't true then we wouldn't have to abide by the 10 commandments.
So you abide by everything in the OT and well as the NT?
Are you writing from prison?
Because that's where you would be if you abided by some of the commandments in the OT.
According to your Bible, your god's laws still operate and are binding forever. You agreed with that. Your god's laws say that you have to kill homosexuals and anyone that works on the Sabbath. So please tell us why you are not following your god's laws by killing homosexuals and people who work on the Sabbath.?
Well you know Rafius, the Pharisees told Jesus the samething about working on the Sabbath day. So it appears you have something in common with the Pharisees. Jesus and his disciples were picking heads of grain. And when the Pharisees saw this. They then told Jesus that what he was doing was unlawful on the Sabbath. Jesus responed to them.
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
The Sabbath day was to help us. And not to hinder us. Only the legalist such as the Pharisees missed the whole point of the law, and then tried to attack Jesus and the others. When doing good works, or when feeding ones self, or others the Sabbath can be broken. And Jesus tells us this.
Adultery and Homosexuality are considered by God to be equally sinful, and worthy of death. Yet when the woman was brought before Jesus and because she was caught in the act of adultery. The Pharisees wanted to kill her. Yet Jesus told them he who is without sin cast the first stone. Of course all the Pharisees were guilty of sin themselves, so the woman was let go. And Jesus then told the woman to go and sin no more. We as Christians are equally guilty of sin, just as the Pharisees. So none of us could take another life based on are own sinfulness. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law. And He tells you this. The Law reveals sin, yet we are not to kill such people as was done in the past. And since Jesus Christ is God. We now follow the New Covanant that was promised to us in the Old Testament. The Covanant that was revealed to us by Christ. Other faiths such as the Muslims still follow the Old Testament. And that is why we still see people being beheaded when they are caught in the act of Adultery, or are show to be homosexuals in the Middle East. Yet you do not see this in the Christian faith, and that is because we are following Christ example.
It most certainly is talking about temple prostitution. Hence, the surrounding passages that are all about pagan worship practices, like sacrificing children to Molech. Why are random gay passages thrown in a chapter about pagan worship rituals?
And do you completely ignore the clause "as with a woman"? How does a gay person have sex with a man as he does with a woman? Why did that verse not say "thou shalt not have consensual sex with another man". Obviously it's not all sexual practice that's banned, it's specific to the type that was done to a woman or in the place reserved for a woman. And how were woman treated back then? Submissive pieces of property to be forced and used however a man pleases.
That is why that clause is there - to distinguish consensual same-sex relations, with those common in paganism - where one man rapes another man like he does a woman. And since that culture was patriarchal, it was very very shameful for a man to be made submissive like a woman. That's why it was taboo.
I take it you have evidence of this, or are you just randomly assuming?
And since you seem to think God made sure the Bible is inerrant, why did he fail to make sure some oral traditions weren't left out of the original manuscripts?
Sorry Campbell - your lack of Biblical understanding is very obvious. It's a waste of time to bother discussing this with you since you're too closed minded to admit you might be wrong.
NO! It is not speaking about temple prostitution. And that is because there were no temples at this time. And anyone caught in prostitution would of been put to death before the Sunset. The Book of Leviticus was dictated to Moses by God. And this was before the Children of Israel entered the promised land. Moses was in a tent at the base of Mt. Sinai. No buildings, no temples, no prostitution. So your belief of temple prostitution is myth, that is not based on anything found in Leviticus.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
And the Bible does not say anything about your consensual sex. It does not say anything about rape.
It does say. Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin.
Your assumption that all woman were raped back then is based nonsense. And anything you try to add to this verse, comes out of your own imagination.
NO! It is not speaking about temple prostitution. And that is because there were no temples at this time. And anyone caught in prostitution would of been put to death before the Sunset. The Book of Leviticus was dictated to Moses by God. And this was before the Children of Israel entered the promised land. Moses was in a tent at the base of Mt. Sinai. No buildings, no temples, no prostitution. So your belief of temple prostitution is myth, that is not based on anything found in Leviticus.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
And the Bible does not say anything about your consensual sex. It does not say anything about rape.
It does say. Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin.
Your assumption that all woman were raped back then is based nonsense. And anything you try to add to this verse, comes out of your own imagination.
Oh dear.
You really haven't even read the whole Bible, let alone studied it hermeneutically - have you.
p.s. I don't base my belief on studies of men...I base them off of the word of God
You have no clue what the Bible says, so that's not a great basis to go off of. You obviously believe you are infallible and that your interpretation can't be wrong.
Not sure what denomination you are but OT & NT are both God's word. Therefore we are to abide by both...if that weren't true then we wouldn't have to abide by the 10 commandments.
Well all Christians ignore the majority of the 613 Mitzvos in the OT. Whichever ones are convenient, but continue to quote ones like Leviticus to attack gays.
I'm not saying that all religious people do not like homosexuals but some people say that it says it in the bible or something so can someone tell me where it says this please.
Note: I am not gay, this is more out of curiosity
because the fact of the matter is being gay is NOT chosen and is NOT even a behavior. (you can be celibate and still be either gay or straight). So religious people know that the very nature of our existence PROVES that the bible is NOT literally true. So for selfish purposes of keeping their religious worldview in tact they'd rather attack us for selfish purposes.
I'm not saying that all religious people do not like homosexuals but some people say that it says it in the bible or something so can someone tell me where it says this please.
Note: I am not gay, this is more out of curiosity
IT was VERY confusing for me as a teenager, because i am gay and i became a born again Christian. I think Christians think of gay people as making a lifestyle choice and 'sinning'. when our sexual orientations are as much 'chosen' as theirs are and we are not more 'lustful' than they are. Religious people are the types that tend to see people in terms of the 'other'. IT's a part of their way of thinking. IT actually comes from the reptilian part of our brain. They don't seem to realize that these people that they 'other' are just regular people who are ASTOUNDED that they are thought of as 'one of those types'. etc. to themselves and their families
NO! It is not speaking about temple prostitution. And that is because there were no temples at this time. And anyone caught in prostitution would of been put to death before the Sunset. The Book of Leviticus was dictated to Moses by God. And this was before the Children of Israel entered the promised land. Moses was in a tent at the base of Mt. Sinai. No buildings, no temples, no prostitution. So your belief of temple prostitution is myth, that is not based on anything found in Leviticus.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
And the Bible does not say anything about your consensual sex. It does not say anything about rape.
It does say. Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin.
Your assumption that all woman were raped back then is based nonsense. And anything you try to add to this verse, comes out of your own imagination.
EARTH TO CAMPBELL! The bible was not written in English.
Leviticus 18:22
ואת־זכר לא תשכב משכבי אשה תועבה הוא׃
שכב = Shakab. A hebrew word that only refers to forced or deceitful sex when it used in the Bible to refer to sexual relations.
And the entire chapter this verse is in, is talking about pagan worship. So I have no clue where you get the idea that there were no temples or shrines. Especially when we look at Deuteronomy.
Deut 23:17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
לא־תהיה קדשה מבנות ישראל ולא־יהיה קדש
מבני ישראל
קדש = Qadesh - which is a temple/shrine prostitute in Hebrew.
The temples that are being discussed are pagan temples. The caananites and Egyptians most certainly had shrines and temples of worship.
And you obviously fail at history along with linguistics if you think women were treated nicely back then. Women were property, to be used as the men saw fit.
I really wish you were a Poe, because you are dang frustrating to try to discuss anything with.
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