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Old 05-17-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: USA
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First of all Jesus could not have died for me since I was not alive at the time.

Were you alive when the founding fathers made the USA Constitution? Ummm, are you benefiting from it NOW?
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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The believers have nothing (no proof) to offer except the usual threats of hell.
I think it has rattled a few of them. There precious 'heaven' may not be real and they have nothing to look forward to.

How ironic that god supposedly made Hawking, created him in his own image complete with a brilliant mind. Why would he then go on to condemn his brilliant creation?

The bible is full of silly stories for a primitive man who couldn't understand science. As Richard Dawking has stated, we need to grow up.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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Were you alive when the founding fathers made the USA Constitution? Ummm, are you benefiting from it NOW?
How are we benefitting from Jesus' crucifixion exactly? Mel Gibson movies?
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:41 AM
 
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And for whomever posted this on my rep;

NO rep but a warning rather: Convert and Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand! May God open your spiritual eyes!

Shame on you for proselytizing privately. You should have at least left your name so I could report you you coward.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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And for whomever posted this on my rep;

NO rep but a warning rather: Convert and Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand! May God open your spiritual eyes!

Shame on you for proselytizing privately. You should have at least left your name so I could report you you coward.
Meh. Their life is miserable enough without you reporting them.

Jay Z said it best: Brush it off yo shoulder.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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Meh. Their life is miserable enough without you reporting them.

Jay Z said it best: Brush it off yo shoulder.
Indeed you are right
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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How are we benefitting from Jesus' crucifixion exactly?
BIblically? Because now our sins are not counted against us if we avail ourselves of God's mercy based on that sacrifice.

John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.




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....Mel Gibson movies?
That movie was a travesty of exagerrations in an effort to shock and garner as much money as possible from people who enjoy being shocked.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Praying for you all. The Lord loves you and wants a relationship with you. If you sincerely want to know the truth, you can find it! Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

He is so good and has changed me drastically. He gives peace and joy that is lasting. I struggled with lying, anger and rage and I tried so hard for years to change, but I failed over and over because I was trying to do it on my own. Once I surrendered my life to Him, He gave me His strength to overcome it. He is so incredibly faithful. I only wish that everyone could experience the love and power of Christ.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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But one thing IS for certain. Religion is dying, and it's death is a sign that humanity is finally growing up.
Falling away from faith is just one of the signs of the times. you really can't see that? make an effort to read at least the NT and the book of revelation, everything will be fulfilled and you can't change it. no wonder Jesus said, for many his coming would be like a thief in the night. Like a theif in the night!
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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I don't believe in heaven, at least not in the Christian way, but I would put zero weight on what Hawking thinks on the matter. High IQ has nothing to do with whether or not there is a heaven. Better to listen to spiritual leaders on this matter who have devoted their life to the issue. Would you listen to the Pope if he said there is no such thing as a black hole?
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