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I think theist try to claim that atheists have 'faith' just so that they (theists) can say 'See! You lot are just as crazy as we are'.
Really??? You can tell me that you know for a fact the secrets of the universe???? i.e. a theory of everything?????
If you say no, then I am left with the assumption that you have """faith""" in the fact that one day all these questions will be answered by science because as of now, they HAVE NOT!!!!
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Originally Posted by lyra33
So you are saying absolute truth exists?
Of course it does... are you saying that it dosnt???
If you make the claim that no absolute truth exists, my next question to you would be....is that the absolute truth????? { rule #1 in a debate.....never use self defeating logic }
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Nope! What's true is true, whether you believe it to be true or not.
Really??? You can tell me that you know for a fact the secrets of the universe???? i.e. a theory of everything?????
If you say no, then I am left with the assumption that you have """faith""" in the fact that one day all these questions will be answered by science because as of now, they HAVE NOT!!!!
My 2 cents...You know what they say about those that assume....I can say no, but that doesn't mean I have faith...What it means is I really don't care and I will go with the flow. As a matter of fact I think there will always be unanswered questions, at least I hope there will...What a dull world it would be if there was no more knowledge to seek.
I think theist try to claim that atheists have 'faith' just so that they (theists) can say 'See! You lot are just as crazy as we are'.
The critical error here is assuming that having faith makes you crazy. Once again, you attribute too much meaning to the word faith. It has nothing to do with religion
faith [fayth]
(pluralfaiths) n 1. belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without proof .
If you make the claim that no absolute truth exists, my next question to you would be....is that the absolute truth????? { rule #1 in a debate.....never use self defeating logic }
No because my very statement of saying there is no absolute truth is really a relative truth based upon the fact that I cannot prove it exists. The definition of absolute is that it can exist without any restriction or condition, and it's perfect and complete. My inability to prove it's existence is a restriction and condition.
Oh, but faith has everything to do with religion, as a matter of fact that is the backbone of all religions. Without it religions would fail.
Faith, Christianity... The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
The body of dogma of a religion:
Oh, but faith has everything to do with religion, as a matter of fact that is the backbone of all religions. Without it religions would fail.
Faith, Christianity... The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
The body of dogma of a religion:
Oh, but faith has everything to do with religion, as a matter of fact that is the backbone of all religions. Without it religions would fail.
Faith, Christianity... The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
The body of dogma of a religion:
And the color green has everything to do with grass but somthing can contain the color green without being grass can it not?
What I'm saying is the idea of God and those who believe in him believe in absolute truth.
I agree belief in God requires faith and relative truth (faith)...however belief in God requires a belief in absolute truth. That all truth comes from God.
There is an absolute truth, does it include a God? Who knows????? At this point its all speculatory. { emphasis on "at this point" } As another poster said, we will probly never have all the answers. I am leary about putting limitations on what science can and cannot prove, despite my beleif in Deism { the sole beleif in a Creator }
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