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Old 05-19-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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So, am I to take from this that God can just snap his celestial digit and create the entire universe but he makes his greatest creation dumber than a doorknob who takes 3,000 years to figure out the most basics principles of molecular biology?



Actually it isn't good enough and hasn't been good enough for men/women of any faith for as long as mankind has been known to inquire about ourselves, and our surroundings. Much of the foundational work that led Darwin to his conclusions was based upon the research of such pious men as Jean-Baptiste Lamarck Gregor Mendel, and Bishop Nicolas Steno. Most major denominations have found no contradiction between the Theory of Evolution and the principles of their faith. Only those stuck in ignorance, and shrouded in superstition cling to literal reading of genesis.
I'm sorry but it is a fallacy of argument to appeal to humans to try to prop up or prove the unprovable such as evolution. It is also a fallacy of argument to use the bandwagon fallacy and its aliases:
  • Appeal to Popularity
  • Argument by Consensus
  • Argumentum ad Populum
  • Authority of the Many
His greatest creation was not originally dumber than a doorknob. Adam was a genius.
You also don't know if just present day man knew about molecular biology.
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Old 05-19-2015, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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. Adam was a genius.
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Pure genius....suckered in by a snake and a female.
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Old 05-19-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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From a biblical perspective, do we know where Eve lived? Because the flood was so destructive, no one knows where the Garden of Eden was.4 However, Noah’s three daughters-in-law, who lived only a dozen or so generations after Eve, began raising their families near Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey—very near the common boundary of Asia, Africa, and Europe. (Each of us can claim one of Noah’s daughters-in-law as our ever-so-great grandmother.) So it is not surprising that Asia, Africa, and Europe are candidate homes for mitochondrial Eve.



A 1995 study of a worldwide sample of 38 men showed no changes in this segment of the Y chromosome that is always inherited from fathers. Had humans evolved and all men descended from one male who lived 500,000 years ago, each should carry about 19 mutations. Had he lived 150,000 years ago, 5.5 mutations would be expected.11 Because no changes were found, our common father probably lived only thousands of years ago. While Adam was father of all, our most recent common male ancestor was Noah.



First of where is the biased link that goes along with this info? Secondly, Biblically the world is only some 2,000 years old.
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Old 05-19-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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It is not a matter of it being revolting. If God had brought humanity into existence via evolution He was not bankrupt for words to tell us. Since He did tell us He didn't use evolution, then I'll stick with His side of the story.
he didn't give you a side of the story.

be that as it may. I say your god did give us the story in words anybody can understand. "pictures are worth a thousand words" pictures, because he is smart. Besides, Why wouldn't a logical loving god give you a "how to be a nicer human" in one book and give us other books to know things like "how to cook" and still others in "how do math"?

And my personal favorite god book "how god made humans" in the rock record book. The only book written in stone by god himself.

you still didn't answer why you don't need evolution. I mean your answer isn't even a answer. "because it would be in there." what kind of answer is that?
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Old 05-19-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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he didn't give you a side of the story.

be that as it may. I say your god did give us the story in words anybody can understand. "pictures are worth a thousand words" pictures, because he is smart. Besides, Why wouldn't a logical loving god give you a "how to be a nicer human" in one book and give us other books to know things like "how to cook" and still others in "how do math"?

And my personal favorite god book "how god made humans" in the rock record book. The only book written in stone by god himself.

you still didn't answer why you don't need evolution. I mean your answer isn't even a answer. "because it would be in there." what kind of answer is that?
Sorry I have to disagree with you. I can't make myself any clearer. The rock record does not record evolution. All the differing layers of sediment were laid down in Noah's flood. This has been proven in the laboratory.
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Old 05-19-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Pure genius....suckered in by a snake and a female.
So would Einstein have done so.
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Old 05-19-2015, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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So, am I to take from this that God can just snap his celestial digit and create the entire universe but he makes his greatest creation dumber than a doorknob who takes 3,000 years to figure out the most basics principles of molecular biology?



Actually it isn't good enough and hasn't been good enough for men/women of any faith for as long as mankind has been known to inquire about ourselves, and our surroundings. Much of the foundational work that led Darwin to his conclusions was based upon the research of such pious men as Jean-Baptiste Lamarck Gregor Mendel, and Bishop Nicolas Steno. Most major denominations have found no contradiction between the Theory of Evolution and the principles of their faith. Only those stuck in ignorance, and shrouded in superstition cling to literal reading of genesis.
Good post.
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Old 05-19-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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His greatest creation was not originally dumber than a doorknob. Adam was a genius.
To borrow from the syntax of Bigman's grandmother, "If Adam was such a genius... why did he get kicked out of such a garden?"
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Old 05-19-2015, 04:25 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Pure genius....suckered in by a snake and a female.
that was a low blow...! Don't forget this:

“The woman YOU put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.” No one is a true 'genius' if so easily suckered by a G()D.


The guy was a true A-hole in some ways, a D-head in others, and pretty average in most...sounds purely human to me...forgivable enough...

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Old 05-19-2015, 04:30 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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he didn't give you a side of the story.

be that as it may. I say your god did give us the story in words anybody can understand. "pictures are worth a thousand words" pictures, because he is smart. Besides, Why wouldn't a logical loving god give you a "how to be a nicer human" in one book and give us other books to know things like "how to cook" and still others in "how do math"?

And my personal favorite god book "how god made humans" in the rock record book. The only book written in stone by god himself.

you still didn't answer why you don't need evolution. I mean your answer isn't even a answer. "because it would be in there." what kind of answer is that?
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Sorry I have to disagree with you. I can't make myself any clearer. The rock record does not record evolution. All the differing layers of sediment were laid down in Noah's flood. This has been proven in the laboratory.
Proven in a laboratory? This I have to see.

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So show me the evidence
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