FILL IN THE BLANK: It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when ________ (ghosts, virtual)
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LOL. Nice try. Wording your question like that so as to depict all of us Pro Choicers as amoral, uncaring baby killers. But Lordy, it's so unoriginal. When are you guys gonna come up with a sound argument and not empty jingoism?
I think it's "OK to kill a baby in the womb" when it's NOT a "baby" yet.
I believe in legalized Abortion with some heavy restrictions placed upon it:
1--First trimester only. At this point, the fetus is not yet a "baby" (look up the definition of baby in your Webster's).
2--Woman must be over 18 or have parental of legal guardian consent.
3--Woman must undergo the following: counseling regarding her options and available financial aid, should she elect to not abort. Entailed in this counseling shall be chats with other women who have had abortions.
Also: woman must undergo a class, with video of the fetus, detailing what this medical procedure does exactly.
4--Abortion should NOT be a form of casual birth control; it should only be used as a last option for a disadvantaged mother who would obviously have great difficulty, or no chance at all, to give a child a fair and decent rearing. So, if you're a happily-married, middle-class mommy who forgot a trip to the drugstore and now are faced with providing Emily with a little brother, sorry, no abortion for you. Emily's gonna have a playmate.
Lastly: Any victim of rape or incest is immediately exempt from all of those above restrictions!
Last edited by DrummerBoy; 11-13-2011 at 10:41 AM..
Word games aren't neccessary when what 'it' is is only a more advanced stage of development of a human than the egg or the sperm is.
All three are potential babies .
Egg and sperm are potential yes . . . but once they are united and developing into a baby . . . no . . . the potential is now being actualized. None of this reality alters a woman's right to choose to continue to procreate or to abort. But the word games are just that . . . euphemistic word games that we all play for emotional comfort.
Word games aren't neccessary when what 'it' is is only a more advanced stage of development of a human than the egg or the sperm is.
All three are potential babies .
It's OK to kill a "baby" in the womb when it's not a "baby" yet.
LOL. Nice try. Wording your question like that so as to depict all of us Pro Choicers as amoral, uncaring baby killers. But Lordy, it's so unoriginal. When are you guys gonna come up with a sound argument and not empty jingoism?
I cannot speak for the OP . . . but it is not empty jingoism. Reality is reality . . . our efforts to cover over the coarser aspects of it with euphemistic word choices notwithstanding.
Egg and sperm are potential yes . . . but once they are united and developing into a baby . . . no . . . the potential is now being actualized. None of this reality alters a woman's right to choose to continue to procreate or to abort. But the word games are just that . . . euphemistic word games that we all play for emotional comfort.
When you call a fetus, a fetus......you are not playing a word game.....because that IS what it IS.......a FETUS.
When you call a fetus a baby.....you are playing a word game......because a fetus IS NOT a baby.
You do not buy fetus clothes, you do not decorate the fetus's room, you do not install a fetus carrier in your car.
When you call a fetus, a fetus......you are not playing a word game.....because that IS what it IS.......a FETUS.
When you call a fetus a baby.....you are playing a word game......because a fetus IS NOT a baby.
You do not buy fetus clothes, you do not decorate the fetus's room, you do not install a fetus carrier in your car.
There are many words especially medical jargon for all sorts of things we commonly do not use. (Just listen to Bones talk in the TV series.) The words we do choose to use have a purpose and we select them to match our desires and intentions. If the intent or the desire is to have the option to kill it . . . then it is a fetus not an immature human baby. If the intent or the desire is to some day buy clothes, decorate a room, buy a car carrier . . . then it is a maturing baby. NONE of the word choices can ever alter what its true status is . . . just assuage the emotional needs of the one choosing the words.
FILL IN THE BLANK: It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when ________....
Nothing like comparing apples and broccoli ... Hitler and Abortion ...
Setting up "What would you do IF:" situations is a logical fallacy.
Another incorrect piece of information people have is if Roe vs Wade is overturned magically abortion becomes illegal, which couldn't be further from the truth.
The old laws regarding abortion limits dealt with "quickening", YES, there have always been abortions.
Simple fact to those pro-abortion a fetus is not a baby, to those anti-abortion a fetus is a baby.
Part of the decision as to if one will be pro or anti abortion will be dependent on how one views a fetus.
No sane woman would choose to kill a baby, therefore if she chooses abortion, she must have a valid (valid not convenient) reason to believe a fetus is not a baby.
Definitions are not going to help. It must be what a woman sincerely believes based upon her own investigation and inner feelings. She is one day going to have to face the emotional reality of having had or not had an abortion.
Yes, the final choice is up to the woman, may she choose, to have or not have an abortion, with knowledge and wisdom, not out of fear, coercion or convenience.
Physically an abortion is usually a very simple, safe minor, out-patient, surgical procedure. Emotionally it can one day become a cause of unbearable, debilitating mental anguish. I feel that in most cases there is inadequate psychological counseling provided to those making the choice. It is often treated as if it is the simple removal of an unwanted growth.
LOL. Nice try. Wording your question like that so as to depict all of us Pro Choicers as amoral, uncaring baby killers. But Lordy, it's so unoriginal. When are you guys gonna come up with a sound argument and not empty jingoism?
I think it's "OK to kill a baby in the womb" when it's NOT a "baby" yet.
I believe in legalized Abortion with some heavy restrictions placed upon it:
1--First trimester only. At this point, the fetus is not yet a "baby" (look up the definition of baby in your Webster's).
2--Woman must be over 18 or have parental of legal guardian consent.
3--Woman must undergo the following: counseling regarding her options and available financial aid, should she elect to not abort. Entailed in this counseling shall be chats with other women who have had abortions.
Also: woman must undergo a class, with video of the fetus, detailing what this medical procedure does exactly.
4--Abortion should NOT be a form of casual birth control; it should only be used as a last option for a disadvantaged mother who would obviously have great difficulty, or no chance at all, to give a child a fair and decent rearing. So, if you're a happily-married, middle-class mommy who forgot a trip to the drugstore and now are faced with providing Emily with a little brother, sorry, no abortion for you. Emily's gonna have a playmate.
Lastly: Any victim of rape or incest is immediately exempt from all of those above restrictions!
1. A fetus does not become a "baby" in the second trimester. It is a fetus until it is born.
2. I have no issue with.
3. "Cha[r]ts of other women who have had abortions"? No. This is not a standard medical procedure in any hospital or clinic I'm aware of. "Women must undergo a class, with a video of the fetus, detailing what this medical procedure does exactly". Again, no. We don't do this before heart surgery or amputations. I do not support that. An abortion is a medical procedure that should be treated like any other medical procedure. If you do not force a woman to watch a video of a hysterectomy or a mastectomy, then you do not force a woman to watch a video of an abortion.
4. I do not believe in mandating and legislating morals. You view abortion for the middle class has immoral with the exception of rape, but your morals are not the standard. I have posted on this previously in this thread.
I am thankful that all women have the same rights under the law. I will fight to keep it that way. Others can drag us back into the days of the coat hanger.
Perhaps it's an emotional issue for Mystic.
He has to remember not to project his emotional needs onto others.
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