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Old 12-22-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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That's just philosophy for itself, Pan Terra; and progress is by realism. I think, realism is done. And instead the science is to be discussed for philosophy of natural science and ho the validation of rigorous scientific noumenological structures... give morality for a religious existence. That is my schooling memory. The universals of evolutionary ideas are because of science and not logical structure. It's the particular events which are randomly composed.

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Old 12-22-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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Geologist.
 
Old 12-22-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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No credentials of relevance to science or religion. I am merely interested and strive to be well read.
 
Old 12-22-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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You can't call evolution a fact, it goes against the Scientific Method, because it isn't 100% proveable, BUT, it is widely accepted that that is how things went and also what I agree with too, but you cannot call it a fact. Just technicalities I suppose, but still..
The fact that you clearly fail to understand the difference between the theory of evolution -- the proposed mechanism of evolution -- and the fact of evolution -- the observed change of heritable traits in a gene pool over generations -- demonstrates that you really haven't the foggiest idea what the word 'evolution' means.

It's like gravity. Is it a theory? Yes, there is a theory of gravity, describing the attraction exerted by objects with mass. There is also the fact of gravity, the phenomenon of massive objects exerting an attractive force, which can be observed and measured. Two concepts, related, one a fact and one a theory. Thus it is with evolution.
 
Old 12-22-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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As a person in the science field, it is quite annoying here, because Evolution IS a theory. For something to be a theory, it has to have a LOT of scientific evidence.

There is no scientist who will ever call evolution a fact.
Tell me, did you even bother to read the link I posted in my reply? Here it is again:
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

It's by Laurence Moran, most certainly a scientist, and the article is titled: Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
 
Old 12-22-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Progress in the western sciences he uses.
 
Old 12-22-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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I thought evolution was a theory based on accumulated scientific facts , a theory that can change as new facts emerge..
 
Old 12-22-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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I thought evolution was a theory based on accumulated scientific facts , a theory that can change as new facts emerge..
Read Voyageur's link. I just did.

But for those who will not:

Evolution has occurred. Man has arisen from a predecessor that was not man. Dogs have arisen from predecessors that were not dogs. Etc.

This is a fact.

The theory of evolution explains how these facts came to be. The broad brushstrokes of evolution are not under dispute. Scientists are working on the smaller component bits of evolutionary theory.
 
Old 12-22-2011, 06:01 PM
 
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That's just philosophy for itself, Pan Terra; and progress is by realism. I think, realism is done. And instead the science is to be discussed for philosophy of natural science and ho the validation of rigorous scientific noumenological structures... give morality for a religious existence. That is my schooling memory. The universals of evolutionary ideas are because of science and not logical structure. It's the particular events which are randomly composed.
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What the...? Evidently you cannot follow the context of my comment. Go back, look what I was referring to in the context of the conversation and try again. Thanks for playing.
 
Old 12-22-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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You'll have to focus, Pan Terra, somewhere else for socio-political philosophy. Empirical observation -- maybe you mean.
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