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Everything around me is the universe. The galaxies, stars, planets and life on earth all came to exist by natural processes that are scientifically explainable. That's why I believe that the universe itself came to exist naturally as well.
Maybe there are other universes or maybe there's a "God" which caused our universe to exist. But given the lack of evidence, I don't believe in either.
It may be I have not explained clearly:
If you see a murder, can you say the killed man has been killed spontaneously, without any killer?
The same thing if you see a big house with many rooms, kitchen, bathroom, etc. ... can you say this house has been spontaneously built without any builder?
Therefore, how can it be true that everything in the universe has come to existence spontaneously without any Creator That made it?
If you see a murder, can you say the killed man has been killed spontaneously, without any killer?
The same thing if you see a big house with many rooms, kitchen, bathroom, etc. ... can you say this house has been spontaneously built without any builder?
Therefore, how can it be true that everything in the universe has come to existence spontaneously without any Creator That made it?
The same thing if you see a big house with many rooms, kitchen, bathroom, etc. ... can you say this house has been spontaneously built without any builder?
We have been over and over this with you until we are blue in the face and you still keep coming back with the house builder tripe.
Listen carefully....
We know that houses, pictures, cars, bridges and all the other things you cite to try to prove a builder/manufacturer/designer/artist, do not occur naturally. Hence, they have to have a builder/manufacturer/designer/artist.
Things like trees, flowers, plants, mountains, clouds, rivers...and millions of other things DO occur naturally and do NOT require a 'builder'.
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that God caused the universe (big bang) to come into existence. Let this be a given.
Okay. Now, how do we get from THAT and prove that this same God created all the stars and planets in the universe, created humans on one of these planets, and then sent his only son to die for all of our sins?
1. How did "God" come to be? What was the "cause and effect"? Did "God" "just happen"?
2. How proof does a theist have that they have "experienced the power of God" rather than just cause and effec' or coincidence or selective awareness?
When I was about three years old, I had a "GOD IS" moment while I was all alone. I was overwhelmed with the sudden thought of "how can we be"? How can anything be? It was a mind-blowing contemplation (especially for a three year old). And at that early age, I realized that because "I AM" - that "GOD IS". I still feel just as awed by my own existence and the life force that exists all around us in nature. I know this is not "Proof" for those who are not awed by the reality of life. But it is all I need to believe that there is something great and powerful and far beyond my ability to comprehend.
People are not made of mud. Stones are not made of mud.
There is a difference between the idea that stones pop in and out of existence and quantum particles pop in and out of existence. Bad analogy. The rules that govern the small scale (quantum mechanics) are not the same as the rules that govern the large scale (Newtonian physics and relativity).
Also many atheists do not believe that the universe came from nothing. Some believe that it was caused be something outside of space-time. Others view the universe as eternal although they are in a minority.
We are made of the earthly elements which are also made of star dust. The heavy metals in the earth would not be here without having been forged in the immense heat of stars. This however does not explain the spiritual part of humanity which is not made of tangible substance.
I never try to convince believers that they should stop believing.
I'd appreciate the same consideration in return.
This is a Religion and Philosophy forum. People discuss those things here. Why do you see that as people trying to convince you of something?
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