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So Creationist accused the 'Evolutionist'
of having the doctrine of man Evolving from animals?
Or does man evolve from slime?
Or is that another accusation from Creationist as well?
Again, a lack of knowledge here...Man IS an animal, a mammal in fact.... To be more precise....Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae...Get it? We are primates (apes) as are all of our other ape cousins.
I'm afraid so, GC. Pretty illogical, huh? Again, it's a predictable rote-a-chant from AiG is my best guess.
Actually, rifleman, I don't even think AiG stoops to levels of such idiocy. I'm not going to go find it but I'm pretty sure it's on the Discovery Institute's (maybe AIG's) list of arguments not to use against evolution. It's like the fundamental misnomer of all misnomers about evolution. It's steeped in such a lack of education about the topic that I relegate it to someone asking why the apple fell on their head... In the year 2013. It's THAT bad.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall. (If so, how could Adam and Eve have eaten and digested their food that they were told to eat before the Fall?)
NASA computers, in calculating the positions of planets, found a missing day and 40 minutes, proving Joshua’s “long day” (Joshua 10) and Hezekiah’s sundial movement (2 Kings 20).
There are no beneficial mutations.
Darwin recanted on his deathbed.
Woolly mammoths were flash frozen during the Flood catastrophe.
If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today. (In an evolutionary worldview, mankind did not evolve from apes but from an apelike ancestor, from which both humans and apes of today supposedly evolved.)
No new species have been produced.
Ron Wyatt has found much archeological proof of the Bible.
Very well said. Organized religion is so "phony" I don't go period. That stupid organizaton Baptists hills something whatever, said the attacks in Boston were "Done by God." If murder wasn't one of the big 10 or illegal in most states, I would like to go beat the sheet out of everyone of those complete morons. Arequipa, I would like to think you know me a bit better these days, and you understand my position. I can see how difficult it is to believe in something while the world suffers, every second of every day. Why doesn't God heal the amputee? Huh? A little child 4 yrs old was shot by a gangs drive by. (I wish I made these stories up) The child now is without her legs. The little girl asked if God would forgive the man, and I frickin lost in the ER. Ok, enough for the day, I enjoyed reading your post Arequipa, thank you.
I take far more pleasure in two people coming to realize that a Sortagod -belief is nothing to quarrel about (though it can be discussed rather as scientists discuss rival theories) and that they both agree that man-made religion is a crock,than in just winning a debate.
I do indeed understand you much better and maybe you understand atheist and atheism (or at least this one) a bit better, too. I look forward to more amicable discussion and moving forwards.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall. (If so, how could Adam and Eve have eaten and digested their food that they were told to eat before the Fall?)
NASA computers, in calculating the positions of planets, found a missing day and 40 minutes, proving Joshua’s “long day” (Joshua 10) and Hezekiah’s sundial movement (2 Kings 20).
There are no beneficial mutations.
Darwin recanted on his deathbed.
Woolly mammoths were flash frozen during the Flood catastrophe.
If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today. (In an evolutionary worldview, mankind did not evolve from apes but from an apelike ancestor, from which both humans and apes of today supposedly evolved.)
No new species have been produced.
Ron Wyatt has found much archeological proof of the Bible.
Thanks for those. Some of which I still thought were viable arguments - e.g the freeze -dried woolly mammoths which I recall I struggled with on another thread. I liked their article on 'Intelligent design is not a Christian movement' (is an argument should not be used) because it was right (the whole ID rationale is based on belief in a Creator) and wrong (it does not have to be Christian - the creator could be Shiva).
I also loved their cartoon apparently aimed as materialism
Some scientists claim they have duplicated life from non-life and proven evolution to be correct.
False interpretation of data is not science - it is wishful thinking.
The experiments used to prove their point: - NEEDED A CREATOR for the Xperiment to work.
Thus proving the bible to be true! Its all in how you interpret the data presented.
Correctly would be a good start
There's no help for it - we have an Evilution thread on our hands. Let's do this before we get rightly closed down for going off -topic.
Evolution is provably correct even without the abiogenesis experiments. Creationists themselves accept that evolution within species (micro evolution) is true They apparently now say that speciation (macro -evolution) hasn't been demonstrated is an argument that should not be used. Given that 'macro -evolution' is feasible and supported by evidence even on Answers in Genesis plus the museums full of fossil evidence that this did happen, plus the DNA corroboration should prove evolution beyond any reasonable doubt.
Now abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory and we have no proof. What we do have is a reasonable supposition that the evolutionary process goes back to blob and even further. There is no logically correct reason to suppose that any other mechanism is needed.
That said, we have a good deal of circumstantial evidence of how this could have come about. Naturally. We have some feasible hypotheses about how this could work. We had some 'Life from non -life' experiments which needed a creator only because the conditions needed for that to happen don't exist anymore and needed to be created. The subsequent process was quite natural - just as someone may need to 'Create' a tank of warm salt water for tropical fish to live in (though no creator was needed for the Pacific ocean) but the subsequent breeding went on quite naturally.
Thus you will see that your 'Life experiment needed a creator' is 'interpreted' incorrectly.
Further, even if one were to prove some sort of ID input into the evolutionary or abiogenesis or even Cosmic origins process, that would not do a single thing to prove the Bible true and more than any other Holy Book or even book of myths with a creator.
Your 'interpretation' fails on every point. It is certainly not 'science'.
Again, a lack of knowledge here...Man IS an animal, a mammal in fact.... To be more precise....Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae...Get it? We are primates (apes) as are all of our other ape cousins.
Atheists have a strong argument against Christ? Give me a break- Jesus the Christ was considered a heretic in his time. He was looked upon by traditionalists as an atheist...ironic hugh?
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