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Old 11-11-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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This looks entertaining, especially for us atheists. But I can't help but wonder why this would be necessary, if God is supposedly in control, as many of these Baptists believe. Several of these people who are doing the "rescue" are from my hometown. This will enlighten some of you as to how I was raised. Started at 10:00 EST, on Nat Geo.

Church Rescue - YouTube
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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So what is your point? What are you trying to say? How is Christianity a failure according to this confusing trailer?

Looks like its a group who helps out financially troubled churches. You have a problem with that? And what has this got to do with how you were raised....unless you were raised to help people in need. Which is a good thing.

Atheists grasping at straws.

Give it a rest. Be happy in your atheism. If you can.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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This looks entertaining, especially for us atheists. But I can't help but wonder why this would be necessary, if God is supposedly in control, as many of these Baptists believe. Several of these people who are doing the "rescue" are from my hometown. This will enlighten some of you as to how I was raised. Started at 10:00 EST, on Nat Geo.

Church Rescue - YouTube
Maybe God sent the rescue team. He truly is sovereign. Why would you think he only works the way YOU expect him to work?
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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This looks like the Hotel Impossible formula applied to churches, and why not? Church folk become attached to ideas to the point of persisting in them even when they don't work, at the same rate as non-church folk. Just like they divorce or go to jail, etc., at about the same rates.

What will interest me about this show is how they tap-dance around magical thinking. On a show like Hotel Impossible there can be zero tolerance for that, as you clearly need an empirical mindset to run a business. But how do you jolt a "man of god" out of a course of action that he claims God told him to pursue?? I don't know how they would do the reality checks in a church environment.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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???

So what is your point? What are you trying to say? How is Christianity a failure according to this confusing trailer?

Looks like its a group who helps out financially troubled churches. You have a problem with that? And what has this got to do with how you were raised....unless you were raised to help people in need. Which is a good thing.

Atheists grasping at straws.

Give it a rest. Be happy in your atheism. If you can.
It's the hypocrisy of the entire concept that's quite hilarious. The Pastor supposedly knowing that God wants him to save his money for this lavish sanctuary, but instead, as Mordant recognized, let these outsiders talk him out of doing what he believes God told him to do. I'm quite certain the Pastor would preach to his congregation to follow God's lead, as I was told when I was growing up. I can't be certain, but I imagine that all participants were paid, which would mean that the money, or the materials to fix up his church, was enough to talk this Pastor out of following what he perceived was God's guidance.

Yes, I was raised to help people, but without expecting pay for doing so, as I have done with my children. This is not a religious issue. My point was that I was raised by these same types of people, Southern Baptists; not necessarily a bad thing, just a look into my past. As a matter of fact, one of the "stars" is the nephew of one of my best childhood friends. This was a very small town of about 2000 people, so everyone knew everyone else, where no alcohol is allowed to be sold inside the city limits.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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This video is not available in Canada...
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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It's the hypocrisy of the entire concept that's quite hilarious. The Pastor supposedly knowing that God wants him to save his money for this lavish sanctuary, but instead, as Mordant recognized, let these outsiders talk him out of doing what he believes God told him to do. I'm quite certain the Pastor would preach to his congregation to follow God's lead, as I was told when I was growing up. I can't be certain, but I imagine that all participants were paid, which would mean that the money, or the materials to fix up his church, was enough to talk this Pastor out of following what he perceived was God's guidance.

Yes, I was raised to help people, but without expecting pay for doing so, as I have done with my children. This is not a religious issue. My point was that I was raised by these same types of people, Southern Baptists; not necessarily a bad thing, just a look into my past. As a matter of fact, one of the "stars" is the nephew of one of my best childhood friends. This was a very small town of about 2000 people, so everyone knew everyone else, where no alcohol is allowed to be sold inside the city limits.
Again....how is this "Christianity failing"? If God wants to use a TV program to provide for his church, he will.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:02 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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This video is not available in Canada...
Just google Church Rescue.
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