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Did they cut down that tree and count all the growth rings?
The tree's common root system is carbon dated. Ever heard of a coring tool?
The same technique is used to do varves, ice cores and while you think trees are rebutted, you have two others that that not only age the planet, they also record SEASONS, particularly varves which have annual pollen deposits.
Your ancient goatherders lived in a desert and as such did not see any evidence for an old earth.
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Also, there should only be approximately 4,500 growth rings even if it was over 6,000 years old since, prior to Noah's world-wide flood, the world did not have different seasons which would put trees into dormancy.
California Reds are over 6000 years old. Trees do not only record annual growth, they record good and lean years. You know that pesky photosynthesis process that converts CO2 to O2, the C goes into the tree, it does not simply "vanish" (Gr9 Science)
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The small Limber Pine tree in California, which I have seen while back packing in the wilderness, is supposed to be 2,000 years old.
Whoopee as if this proves anything, Did you chop it down to see how old it was?
I don't think annual rings hold much sway with them (young earth creationist) either. That's one of the things Bill Nye was talking about on a recent interview on how an age of a tree is determined (which people should know already. It's basic biology.). If YEC's are throwing out numbers that are younger than the oldest living things that are variably older, then there's conflicting data.
I get what you're saying, but it's more like faith conflicting with actual data rather than two conflicting pieces of data.
"You know what's kind of neat? Trees native to places where temperature and day length stay the same all
the time don't produce annual rings. They may make rings, but you can't use them to tell how old a tree is."
The earth tilted at its current tilt either during or right after the flood in Noah's day.
We are getting to broad in scope here. The debate on whether or not Noah's Ark was found is another topic. I will say that the claims of the Ark has been found are dubious at best, and there is no evidence that the wood did not contain rings. Even as you said, tree would contain rings, but they wouldn't be able to be used to tell the age of the tree.
Why do you say there were no seasons before Noah? As far as I can tell both science of the Bible are agnostic on this question. ie. they do not find any evidence to support such a claim. There are no trees on earth with 9,000 rings, so what is the purpose of perpetuating such a story of a season-less climate if it does nothing to bolster the Young Earth Creationist position?
The tree's common root system is carbon dated. Ever heard of a coring tool?
The same technique is used to do varves, ice cores and while you think trees are rebutted, you have two others that that not only age the planet, they also record SEASONS, particularly varves which have annual pollen deposits.
Your ancient goatherders lived in a desert and as such did not see any evidence for an old earth.
California Reds are over 6000 years old. Trees do not only record annual growth, they record good and lean years. You know that pesky photosynthesis process that converts CO2 to O2, the C goes into the tree, it does not simply "vanish" (Gr9 Science)
Whoopee as if this proves anything, Did you chop it down to see how old it was?
We are talking about trees that grow without seasons.
OK, maybe Nay California Reds, I did not look it up this time but there are trees in the US at 6k+ years old.
Technically, a tree does not record seasons, it records annual growth. Which in the broadest sense is a sum of a winter and a summer. I am not going to waste my time teaching you HOW tree rings work, you should have lurned that at skool.
Now what about carves and ice cores? Those records are waaay older than the oldest tree and waaaay older than your fludd and none of the recorded a global deluge. Both of them would have in that the ice in Antarctica would only have 4,500 years of layers; there are 400 THOUSAND to 780 THOUSAND YEARS of layers so far extracted. The same CORING technique is used in ALL of these measurements. You know, drill a hole with a hollow drill, extract the core and count the lines.
GISP2 ice core at 1837 meters depth with clearly visible annual layers. (That is over a mile deep)
"In 2012 a bristlecone pine in California's White Mountains was measured by Tom Harlan to be 5062 years old, making it the oldest known tree in North America and the oldest known individual tree in the world."
"Certain sprouting (clonal) organisms, such as creosote bush or aspen, may have older individuals if the entire clonal organism is considered. By that standard, the oldest living organism is a grove of quaking aspens in Utah known as Pando, at perhaps as much as 80,000 years old. But in a clonal organism the individual clonal stems are nowhere near as old, and no part of the organism is particularly old at any given time."
Whatever, depends what version you read. The Bible is but one source of knowledge (which seems to be agnostic about seasons if I take your version). Why wouldn't there be seasons in the pre-flood time? Do you have any sort of scientific evidence for this? ie. petrified trees without rings. Remember, even tropical trees today have rings despite little variation from season to season.
Scientific evidence and biblical issues? Never the twain shall meet!!
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