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Old 11-16-2016, 04:18 AM
 
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The question is not who did what but why it wasn't stopped? The 'free-will' argument fails miserable because it doesn't take into account the 'free-will' of the victims. If one is in a position to prevent a heinous act being carried out and fails to do so then they are as accountable as the one that carries out the act.


If a god exist and it is omnipotent and omniscient then it knew that it's first created thing is the first domino to fall for the holocaust.
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Old 11-16-2016, 05:23 AM
 
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No it was not Gods judgement. It was Hitlers hate filled heart that judged. Staraight out of the will of satan, and his false Christian religions had the people vote Hitler into power, then killed for him against the members of their own religions who stood on both sides. pure hipocrosy.
Look, the Scriptures are crystal clear, whether you accept them or not.
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:35 AM
 
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If one is in a position to prevent a heinous act being carried out and fails to do so, then they are as accountable as the one that carries out the act.
So why did people allow it to happen? Why did more people not try to stop it?

Were you living then, who would you be? How would you try to stop it? How would you try to help others?

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Old 11-16-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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So why did people allow it to happen? Why did more people not try to stop it?

Were you living then, who would you be? How would you try to stop it? How would you try to help others?
Did you miss the part that said.... "If one is in a position to prevent a heinous act being carried out..."

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Were you living then, who would you be? How would you try to stop it?
No I wasn't. Most people were not in a position to prevent it nor were they omnimax gods
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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So why did people allow it to happen? Why did more people not try to stop it?

Were you living then, who would you be? How would you try to stop it? How would you try to help others?
Why didn't the manufacturer step in with revisions to its creation to correct ALL the flaws?

It could do all kinds of corrections without its creations knowing it,right? Were talking god, right?
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Did you miss the part that said.... "If one is in a position to prevent a heinous act being carried out..."

No I wasn't. Most people were not in a position to prevent it ..
If you lived then and saw it happening how would you try to help others? Turn a blind eye? Say not my problem? Say there's nothing I can do about it? That seems to be what you are saying. Every ordinary person does have a way to help prevent heinous acts.

The people who did nothing allowed it to happen....you appear to be supporting that.
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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If you lived then and saw it happening how would you try to help others? Turn a blind eye? Say not my problem? Say there's nothing I can do about it? That seems to be what you are saying.
Can you please explain in what way this is analogous to God preventing the Holocaust?
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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I just watched a DVD that interviewed 5 Hungarian Jewish survivors of the death camps. I actually couldn't finish watching it, because it was so pathetic how they were abused and murdered. I then wondered "if there is a God, how could he allow this to happen?". Our own country has its own horrors as well. How we're all of these allowed to happen by God?
The big picture is that God allows all the bad to be happened here such that evil as the root cause will be destroyed openly once and for all, in order to secure a sin-free heaven.
To put it another way, God's only job here is to save the souls of those deserved with a criteria specified in a covenant.

He warned the Jews that if they failed to follow God, they make no difference from any other humans. As they are a weak ethnic group, they are thus the victims of their enemies once walking out of the circle of God's blessing.

In the end, God will save those saved and will wipe their tears.

Revelation 21:4 (KJV)
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.



As for those unsaved, what's the point of making them feeling better when in the end they will wind up in hell?
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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It could do all kinds of corrections....
How would you as an ordinary person help others if you lived then and saw it happening around you? Why did it bring out the worst in people with so many people allowing it to happen?
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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The big picture is that God allows all the bad to be happened here such that evil as the root cause will be destroyed openly once and for all, in order to secure a sin-free heaven.
To put it another way, God's only job here is to save the souls of those deserved with a criteria specified in a covenant.

He warned the Jews that if they failed to follow God, they make no difference from any other humans. As they are a weak ethnic group, they are thus the victims of their enemies once walking out of the circle of God's blessing.

In the end, God will save those saved and will wipe their tears.

Revelation 21:4 (KJV)
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.



As for those unsaved, what's the point of making them feeling better when in the end they will wind up in hell?
It is obvious you do not feel too good about yourself, so I will not try to make you feel better--ENJOY THE TRIP!
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