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It's a good thing he didn't punch one of my kids or grandkids in the chest
I imagine that preacher was very proud of himself from the way he boasted of his abuse. I have seen it happen many times in church, and heard the "amen's" and saw the bobble heads.
Spare the ole' rod spoil the child has indeed caused suffering and death of children. It's a shame. It has also caused mental grief. Some atheists under 18 get a lot of verbal abuse from Theist parents and church members. Like Damon Fowler who tried to get a prayer removed from his high school prom in Louisiana. Ouch, not a bright idea but a brave young man for standing up for his rights to not believe. At least he wasn't beaten to death like Lydia S. or Hanna Willams, who's parents learned from "To Train up a Child" under God for the fundies.
Several kids have died from this, sadly more lived through it. Very sad. Parents using God as an excuse to hurt their kids is abuse to it's finest. It doesn't really matter which religion it is, they all have abusive child raising techniques. From down right killing the child down to making kids skip meals, skip books with magic, just basic mind benders for God.
Again, God can't be used as an excuse in my eyes. It's just telling about the parents. God doesn't kill kids, parents kill their kids, but God gives them a good excuse for beating them. Sucks. A lot of sick people out there.
What's amazing is that in some states in America you can loose a custody battle for your child or even visitation rights just because you are an atheist or agnostic. Fancy that, the court making your child go to church for their own good.
It IS a ruined life to lay there and think back on your life, knowing that it was all meaningless as you prepare to enter the afterlife without a hope.
It's only YOU who think of my life as meaningless. I won't lay there thinking my life is meaningless, it was as meaningful as yours. It may be even more meaningful to me because I'm not looking beyond it all the time. I gave children life, I've loved and been loved, I've touched people and experienced them touching my life. No prize for endurance needed in the end for me, my life and everything in it was more than enough and I'm grateful already. I ask forgiveness from the people around me, it's harder to do that then ask a God for forgiveness.
It's only YOU who think of my life as meaningless. I won't lay there thinking my life is meaningless, it was as meaningful as yours. It may be even more meaningful to me because I'm not looking beyond it all the time. I gave children life, I've loved and been loved, I've touched people and experienced them touching my life. No prize for endurance needed in the end for me, my life and everything in it was more than enough and I'm grateful already. I ask forgiveness from the people around me, it's harder to do that then ask a God for forgiveness.
It takes a stunning amount of arrogance to declare that someone else's life is meaningless. I'm not quite sure where that comes from. No place good, that's for sure.
It takes a stunning amount of arrogance to declare that someone else's life is meaningless. I'm not quite sure where that comes from. No place good, that's for sure.
It comes from replacing one's heart and brain with a book.
Why are you determining who is a "real Christian"?
We can make observations based on what God has actually said. But how would my statement be any worse than the previous poster that said the person wasn't a "real atheist"?
It's only YOU who think of my life as meaningless. I won't lay there thinking my life is meaningless, it was as meaningful as yours. It may be even more meaningful to me because I'm not looking beyond it all the time. I gave children life, I've loved and been loved, I've touched people and experienced them touching my life. No prize for endurance needed in the end for me, my life and everything in it was more than enough and I'm grateful already. I ask forgiveness from the people around me, it's harder to do that then ask a God for forgiveness.
If you lie there on your deathbed and believe that your life was full of meaning, good on ya.
My point was simply that this person I was speaking about recognized that his life was meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Spare the ole' rod spoil the child has indeed caused suffering and death of children. It's a shame. It has also caused mental grief. Some atheists under 18 get a lot of verbal abuse from Theist parents and church members. Like Damon Fowler who tried to get a prayer removed from his high school prom in Louisiana. Ouch, not a bright idea but a brave young man for standing up for his rights to not believe. At least he wasn't beaten to death like Lydia S. or Hanna Willams, who's parents learned from "To Train up a Child" under God for the fundies.
Several kids have died from this, sadly more lived through it. Very sad. Parents using God as an excuse to hurt their kids is abuse to it's finest. It doesn't really matter which religion it is, they all have abusive child raising techniques. From down right killing the child down to making kids skip meals, skip books with magic, just basic mind benders for God.
Again, God can't be used as an excuse in my eyes. It's just telling about the parents. God doesn't kill kids, parents kill their kids, but God gives them a good excuse for beating them. Sucks. A lot of sick people out there.
What's amazing is that in some states in America you can loose a custody battle for your child or even visitation rights just because you are an atheist or agnostic. Fancy that, the court making your child go to church for their own good.
This idiot claiming to have punched a kid has nothing to do with the Proverb of "spare the rod, spoil the child". Nor is beating a child. The imagery of that Proverb is regarding discipline in general. And yes--it's true that if you do not discipline a child, they will grow up to be spoiled rotten brats with no regard for anyone else.
We can make observations based on what God has actually said. But how would my statement be any worse than the previous poster that said the person wasn't a "real atheist"?
That wasn't the question. WHY are you determining who is a Christian and who isn't?
That wasn't the question. WHY are you determining who is a Christian and who isn't?
I'm not. I suppose my statement was worded poorly. I don't determine. I can simply make observations. And you may ask WHY I feel the need to make observations? I would say for the same reason I was told this guy wasn't a real atheist. Or for the same reason that the usual suspects on this board like to bad-mouth Christianity based on what a "Christian' did. You guys love to judge who a Christian is and isn't. Why can't we make such statements?
If you lie there on your deathbed and believe that your life was full of meaning, good on ya.
My point was simply that this person I was speaking about recognized that his life was meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
I have my doubts a belief before that would have made a difference because it's very hard not to find meaning in this life unless you have abnormal issues at play but it was nice of you to try and calm someone down before their end. I know first hand how hard it can be facing someone about to die.
Maybe you could have phrased it better. IMO, of course.
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I ask forgiveness from the people around me, it's harder to do that then ask a God for forgiveness.
