Montana man applies for 2nd marriage license (sunday, examples, purpose)
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Really? Because gay people have been whining for years now that they "can't" get married. Remember? It's why the SCOTUS came down with a really horrible ruling a week ago. The truth was, they have been able to all along, but gullible people have bought into the bad argument.
The Montana man is already married to the person of his choosing. If he likes, he is free to divorce her and marry this new person. In what way is that not equal to every other person in the US?
Isn't the issue more along the lines that he does not want to divorce anyone in order to marry someone else?
But I don't want to. Your side keeps arguing that it's all about us choosing...
But you have the choice now. Not the choice to be homosexual or hetersexual but to choose if you wish to marry a man or a woman. One would naturally choose the one they were sexually attracted to. You would not want to give that right up and having to marry a man without having the least bit of attraction to another man. Why do you think some one who has no sexual attraction to some one of the opposite sex should have the choice of not marrying or of marrying someone of a gender they have no attraction to?
You can choose to keep them out of your church, you can choose to not have them for friends, you can choose to disown any family member that marrys the same gender or even choose to disown a family member that disagrees with you about SSM. You do not get to choose on why there are homosexual individuals or what legal rights they can have. Polygamy is a choice and any arguements for it should be based on polygamy and not on SSM.
All sexual relations must be based on consent and legal consent cannot be given by a child, a sheep or a duck.
The laws of a country are of course man made and are intended for all. One group's interpretation of their holy book shall not be the basis of those laws.
The whole debate is interesting. Honestly, I do not believe in state regulation of marriage. It should be handled by the communities, religious places etc. Any legal issues can be dealt with via contract. The only area where the law should be permitted to intervene is on behalf of children. That's about it.
I agree that state regulation of marriage is nothing much. I think it became the standard because the whole concept of legalized marriage is about ownership and possession and with jealousy and covertness and other such human traits, such thing become matters of state.
States are the extensions of communities so in that sense communities are already handling marriages.
Having it be a matter of religion has its own problems as religions have beliefs about right and wrong and may reject those they see as being wrong and not want those ones to be married.
Legal issues and contracts are exactly why the state is involved.
Children? In matter of community, state, and religion children more often than not are collateral. Collateral Damage.
They grow into adults and contribute to the same.
The real way to protect children is to make sure that there are no institutions involved with children which can hide them selves from the eyes of the world and that we all recognize just exactly what is abuse of children and make sure that those things are never allowed to happen in the first place.
We are mostly continuing to deal with the abused rather than the abuse.
Like the proverbial ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.
Really? Because gay people have been whining for years now that they "can't" get married. Remember? It's why the SCOTUS came down with a really horrible ruling a week ago. The truth was, they have been able to all along, but gullible people have bought into the bad argument.
No, we have been fighting to have the sex restriction removed so we can marry someone of the same sex.
You claimed that Gays can marry someone of the same sex, but you can't. I showed you that you CAN marry someone of the same sex if you so choose, there is no law stopping you.
Not the choice to be homosexual or hetersexual but to choose if you wish to marry a man or a woman. One would naturally choose the one they were sexually attracted to. You would not want to give that right up and having to marry a man without having the least bit of attraction to another man. Why do you think some one who has no sexual attraction to some one of the opposite sex should have the choice of not marrying or of marrying someone of a gender they have no attraction to?
You do realize that for many many many years in human history people got married for myriad reasons OTHER than sexual attraction, right? I personally know of people that are happily married in arranged marriages.
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You can choose to keep them out of your church, you can choose to not have them for friends, you can choose to disown any family member that marrys the same gender or even choose to disown a family member that disagrees with you about SSM.
I've never suggested a gay person was not welcome in my church, or that I'd have them as friends. Why would you think that?
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You do not get to choose on why there are homosexual individuals or what legal rights they can have. Polygamy is a choice and any arguements for it should be based on polygamy and not on SSM.
So why do you believe gay people get to dictate the legal rights of straight people? Especially Christians?
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All sexual relations must be based on consent and legal consent cannot be given by a child, a sheep or a duck.
For now, at least. But I fully expect that to change in the future now that common sense is not the basis of law.
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The laws of a country are of course man made and are intended for all. One group's interpretation of their holy book shall not be the basis of those laws.
No, we have been fighting to have the sex restriction removed so we can marry someone of the same sex.
Why is that important? You've always been able to marry.
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You claimed that Gays can marry someone of the same sex, but you can't. I showed you that you CAN marry someone of the same sex if you so choose, there is no law stopping you.
I don't want to. Why would I? That's not normal. Marriage is, by definition, a union between a man and woman -- a bride and groom.
But what about a bisexual man? Can he marry one of each? If it's just based on sexual desire..what happens when someone wants one of each?
That is entirely true, of course. Now, SSM is a form of marriage that is not available to someone like me. So, in essence, gay people now have a special form of marriage.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
You have the right to marry someone of the same gender, so how is that not available to you?
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Originally Posted by jjrose
No, you too can marry someone of the same sex if you so choose.
Hoist with his own petard!
Beautiful!
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