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Not relevant. There are actually psychologists coming out now saying that it's not really that harmful for an adult to have that kind of loving relationship with a minor. In the same way, psychologists USED TO say that homosexuality was a mental disorder, but they changed it awhile back. I give it a matter of time before the same happens with pedophilia. After all...if a kid can decide as young as 7 that he/she is gay or transgender....why can't they give consent?
I would like to thank jeff and Viz for exemplifying the rot and meanness that lies at the heart of Christian Fundamentalism.
You two have done more for the LGBTQ cause than anyone could possibly dream.
And as a bonus, I have little doubt you have turned many away from your sub-sect's brand of religion.
Carry on the fine work.
Unfortunately, many of these people teach this stuff to their kids, and then "protect" them from the outside world. When they grow up, the children can have trouble functioning in the outside world, and feel they have no choice but to stay inside the warped conservative Christian world.
Not relevant. There are actually psychologists coming out now saying that it's not really that harmful for an adult to have that kind of loving relationship with a minor. In the same way, psychologists USED TO say that homosexuality was a mental disorder, but they changed it awhile back. I give it a matter of time before the same happens with pedophilia. After all...if a kid can decide as young as 7 that he/she is gay or transgender....why can't they give consent?
That's irrelevant.
Again...not relevant.
If all you're going to argue is personal happiness...why is any of that relevant?
I preach the Bible. It says that we are born sinners. That means I was sinful from birth.
In a previous generation we might have tried to help a kid with their psychological issues. Now, we tell the kid to embrace them. I don't call that love. That poor kid is going to grow up terribly confused.
The world view of christians at one time was that the world was flat--you even mentioned that in one of your posts. But as knowledge develops, as it has in the case of homosexuality, the science has changed, therefore no respectable psychologist claims that old BS about homosexuality anymore. There may be a few who are getting rich off going around spouting it to stupid fundamentalist groups--but they aren't interested in anything but a fat paycheck. But there are a few psychologists promoting anti-gay messages.
Acceptance of pedophilia hasn't increased one bit. Homosexual couples are opposed to pedophiles molesting their children.
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Let’s start with the bright side: there’s no indication sex crimes involving children are more frequent than they used to be — what’s changed is we’re hearing more now about scandals that were previously hushed up.
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It seems reasonable to say pedophilia is one of those ineradicable but not especially common impulses that, unlike other forms of sexual and child abuse, has never been widely tolerated. Given greater awareness and more precautions, therefore, one may suppose that, however often pedophilia occurs now, it’ll happen less in the future.
Sorry, you are the one with straw man views. And they come straight from Rush Limbaugh who was the first one to try to link homosexuality to pedophilia. http://equalitymatters.org/emtv/201301070003 You're in a great club, Vizio.
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And if I tell the owner that I plan to use his products for immoral purposes, the owner should have the right to umm no, go do your business elsewhere. Kinda reminds me of the guy who did prank calls to pet stores asking about their cats and then telling them that they should be delicious to eat. How fast do you think the owner told him to "take a hike, buddy?" Pretty fast.
Thats insane, even for you Jeff.
But let's go with insane and extrapolate out your idea that based on their religious beliefs people should be allowed to refuse to do things that someone in their job position is normally expected to do because of your sacred religious beliefs.
Jehovas Witnesses do not agree with or believe in blood transfusion.
If you're driving and get in an accident and will 100% die without a blood transfusion and the blood and all items necessary for the transfusion were available but the only Dr. available to treat you is a Jehovah's Witness you'd be okay with the Dr. doing NOTHING and letting you die just so they can make the decision that agrees with their sacred religious beliefs.
You seem to have no ability to understand that the rights being argued about in this thread would also protect you!
That's the great thing about equality, it's awesome for EVERYONE!
The gay people I know are not terribly confused. Maybe because they are adults. All of the ones I know grew up in the period of time when being gay was not acceptable to their family or to much of those in society. What confusion there among gays is probably stems from others telling them they are wrong, immoral or not welcomed would be my guess.
if they think they were created by God to be married to someone of the same gender, they're confused. If they think they are a man trapped in a woman's body, they're confused.
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If a child at age 7 decides he is gay can he also then go out a buy a gun, vote or drive a car? No there are age limits for many things much of it based on level of maturity to be able to understand the consequences. Deciding that you are gay is not a decision but a realization much the same way some children "decide" that they are going to be tall.
Of coruse not. that's why we don't allow 7 year olds to make life choices.
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Throwing in pedophila with gay is very tiring and very telling. Could you please link the physcologist saying the adult child sexual relations are fine, I would like to read on what they actually are talking about?
Yet, it does illustrate a point. It's sexual behavior that deviates from the norm.
Does this mean I can go to a gay business and demand they make anti-gay posters ?
Such as "Make Sodomy Illegal Again", or "Let's shove the q's back in the closet" ?
And they would have to do it, right ?
If they provide similar products to other customers, yes they would.
If, however, they do not sell any products that demean any group, then, no, they would be within their rights to deny your request.
There was a case like that in Colorado. The baker denied a customer's request to print something negative on a cake, but, offered to sell the cake and supply the materials for the customer to decorate the cake himself.
The customer took the baker to court and the court ruled in favor of the baker because she a) did not withhold the cake and b) did not ever print defamatory statements on any cake.
As such, she did not deny her services to the customer.
Then stop arguing against our right to protest the law. The law has breached freedom of religion. One side has to give. That's why it is not so simple, cut and dry as you present it here. The annoying thing is your side will not compromise and try to work out a solution that satisfies both sides of the fences. My impression is that it must always be your way or get out of town, jack.
If you want true equality in everything, there's a name for that. Socialism.
You mean the kind the early Christians practiced in Acts?
Act 2:44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,
Act 2:45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
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Act 4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.
Act 4:33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
Bring it on, the U.S. might be a poorer nation, but then all nations would be on equal footing---just like the early Christians felt should be their personal lifestyle.
You mean the kind the early Christians practiced in Acts?
Act 2:44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,
Act 2:45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
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Act 4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.
Act 4:33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
Bring it on, the U.S. might be a poorer nation, but then all nations would be on equal footing---just like the early Christians felt should be their personal lifestyle.
The difference, of course, is that they willingly gave their goods and belongings. They didn't have a godless central government telling them to do it.
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