Church insults American flag (Christianity, pastor, Christ, religion)
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Flags mean different things to different people and the attitude of tribalism is still current, with all its separatism intact.
Flags give people some kind of national identity and a feeling of belonging to that nation.
Having pride in ones country and being patriotic serves politics.
There is no sane reason that I have heard as to why people should have pride in any country, certainly America is not the exception.
People can be both proud and insulted by a flag depending on what the policies the country the flag represents has done to/for them.
Americans seem infatuated by their flag but since it is a symbol they are taught to revere and honor, and sing about as 'Old Glory' and even once believed they were 'The Greatest Nation on Earth' (like its a competition or something) one can understand the reason for such bizarre behavior.
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Since the flag is on private property and it's clearly protected by the First Amendment he can do what he wants. No one from the government will be knocking on the door of the church telling him he has to change how the flags are displayed. A U.S. Marine (or a Cub Scout) might tell him he's in violation of the Flag Code...... but other than that.... he can make his statement and the rest of us can keep living our lives.
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Originally Posted by DewDropInn
Since the flag is on private property and it's clearly protected by the First Amendment he can do what he wants. No one from the government will be knocking on the door of the church telling him he has to change how the flags are displayed. A U.S. Marine (or a Cub Scout) might tell him he's in violation of the Flag Code...... but other than that.... he can make his statement and the rest of us can keep living our lives.
I just wonder when all the right wing patriots that usually pop up in this forum will say anything about this? Or has the code of ormerta got them silenced.
People who are not proud of their country usually do not fly the flag.
That is a very American centric view and demeaning to people in other countries. In my eyes Americans are proud of their country and wish to display its symbols and flag as much as they can and to verbally claim their pride. In many other countries people are proud of their country but view the overtly patrisim to lack class. Both views are valid in my mind. I am proud of my country and may put up a minn flag on Canada Day but for what reason do I need to tell my fellow Canadians everyday that I am proud of my country?
I am sorry but your statement reads to me that there is only one way to be proud of your country. I say there are many ways and none of them are wrong. Different cultures are quite simply different that is why they are different cultures. To me all the flags on houses in the States seems over the top but as that is the culture there so be it, it is not the way we do things here and not what I saw too much in Scotland either.
I cannot think of any church here that has a Canadian or religious flag on it or even a flag pole. I think the church making a rude statement about a court ruling should be considered political speech.
It's not enforced because it's a code of conduct and there is no method for enforcement nor any penalties set.
Federal Law 18 USC Section 700 is responsible for enforcing the Flag Code, so yes, there are methods of enforcement and penalties. It's considered a first amendment issue, so it's (generally) not enforced.
I'm not familiar with them. What might they be?
Never mind, I can look it up.
I looked further.......
Criminal penalties for certain acts of desecration to the flag were contained in Title 18 of the United States Code prior to 1989. The Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson; June 21, 1989, held the statute unconstitutional. This statute was amended when the Flag Protection Act of 1989 (Oct. 28, 1989) imposed a fine and/or up to I year in prison for knowingly mutilating, defacing, physically defiling, maintaining on the floor or trampling upon any flag of the United States. The Flag Protection Act of 1989 was struck down by the Supreme Court decision, United States vs. Eichman, decided on June 11, 1990
In recent months the US government has made it clear that they are not really interested in protecting religious freedoms. I can see the reason that a person would be discouraged and fly the US flag below the Christian flag.
Having said that, we do live in the US, and I think that I would respect the US Flag etiquette. In my church we have both displayed in accordance with proper etiquette.
In recent months the US government has made it clear that they are not really interested in protecting religious freedoms. I can see the reason that a person would be discouraged and fly the US flag below the Christian flag.
Having said that, we do live in the US, and I think that I would respect the US Flag etiquette. In my church we have both displayed in accordance with proper etiquette.
"In recent months the US government has made it clear that they are not really interested in protecting religious freedoms."
What specific religious freedom (you know, something mentioned in some Christian denomination's crede statement of faith) was protected last year that is not protected now?
"In recent months the US government has made it clear that they are not really interested in protecting religious freedoms."
What specific religious freedom (you know, something mentioned in some Christian denomination's crede statement of faith) was protected last year that is not protected now?
The Christian Right defines "religious freedom" as the right to impose their religion on everyone else.
The Christian Right defines "religious freedom" as the right to impose their religion on everyone else.
Yep.
And when denied, they get their panties all in a bunch.
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