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The Bible doesn't say God created mankind perfect. He created Adam and Eve flesh and soulish and He said it was good, not perfect. He gave them a simple command and they disobeyed that command. That does not make God evil.
God made us in his image. That makes him imperfect too. But we already know that.
Sure God has a plan - and it's not a very pretty plan! We cannot hide behind "God has a plan" or "it's part of Gods plan" to cover for the sick things God does to mankind.
That makes no logical sense whatsoever...So, basically, you are saying that G-d created a broken item just so He could fix it?...Just for the hell of it?...What exactly was the need for Him to do this?...
God was bored. He'd been around for an eternity with nutting to do and you know the saying .... The devil finds work for idle hands!
God made us in his image. That makes him imperfect too. But we already know that.
Sure God has a plan - and it's not a very pretty plan! We cannot hide behind "God has a plan" or "it's part of Gods plan" to cover for the sick things God does to mankind.
No, it is what mankind does to himself , the world in general. Look how man has harmed the planet.
God's plan is for man to have us one day be in Heaven with Him
No, it is what mankind does to himself , the world in general. Look how man has harmed the planet.
I am speaking of the OT God in a literal sense.
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God's plan is for man to have us one day be in Heaven with Him
That's fair comment but beggers one simplisitic question. If God wants us to be with him in heaven then he should have just created us in heaven to start with! The fact that he didn't show's that is NOT his plan.
The truth here is that God is a construct of man's imagination. So we are really arguing about the nature of this construct. When men go out and commit atrocities in the name of God, then it is that constructed God that is driving them to do so. In that sense, God is real and very evil. If you choose to construct God as a God of love and shun atrocities and in fact, only give love, then your God is not evil. But that's not the same God then is it? The OT God is a harsh brute, made more harsh by later 'prophets' who laid down new sets of harsh laws by which people can commit atrocities.
...Rather, it shows that God had the plan of redemption already in place when He explained to them about their redeemer to come. It all works together for GOOD. Therefore God is GOOD.
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That makes no logical sense whatsoever...So, basically, you are saying that G-d created a broken item just so He could fix it?...Just for the hell of it?...What exactly was the need for Him to do this?...
And He didn't sat nothing about a redeemer to them...
But it is perfectly logical. God needed mankind to learn from the knowledge of good and evil and He needed mankind to experience what it is like to be at enmity to Him then what it is like to be reconciled to Him through the blood of Christ's cross. He needed mankind to learn from their dying condition and then experience true life and incorruption later.
This is known at the proto evangel:
Gen 3:15 And enmity am I setting between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He shall hurt your head and you shall hurt his heel.
The Bible doesn't say God created mankind perfect. He created Adam and Eve flesh and soulish and He said it was good, not perfect. He gave them a simple command and they disobeyed that command. That does not make God evil.
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God made us in his image. That makes him imperfect too. But we already know that.
God's image is that of subjectorhood. Right after it is said Adam is made in His image, it is stated to Adam to subject creation.
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Sure God has a plan - and it's not a very pretty plan! We cannot hide behind "God has a plan" or "it's part of Gods plan" to cover for the sick things God does to mankind.
But it is a great goal God has for all mankind. He is going to save all mankind. It is a faithful saying worthy of all acceptance. God is working all together for good. You'll see. Just takes time.
He gave them a simple command and they disobeyed that command.
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Rafius: Which he knew would happen.
He didn't just know it would happen. He made sure it would happen.
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Eusebius:
That does not make God evil.
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Rafius: It makes your god either evil or stupid.
Not really. Since God is love and does everything for the best of humanity, it is neither evil nor stupid.
You refuse to focus on the goal. You focus on what takes place prior to the goal.
Why not quit looking at these things with tunnel vision? Step back and see the whole picture.
You, your friends and family will one day be in perfect, loving reconciliation to God. Only a wise and loving God could accomplish this.
But it is a great goal God has for all mankind. He is going to save all mankind. It is a faithful saying worthy of all acceptance. God is working all together for good. You'll see. Just takes time.
That's a fail - not good enough! It just does not cut it! If God is so wonderful and all powerful and so on then he can just do things right from the start.
The simple truth is this; God is a construct of man to explain the way things are. And what was needed was a sick God! So man constructed a sick God. Or at least, the ancient Israelites created a sick God that suited their needs and to make themselves look good or justify their behavior at the time.
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