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Old 03-04-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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Ignoring argumentum ad populum fallacy again? It doesn't matter if a million scientists agree. They could all be wrong. Hey Darwin was once mocked and laughed at for his theories by the majority.
Jeff, you don't mind using the "appeal to popularity" argument in favor of Christianity. So if it's true that scientists believe evolution simply because lots of other scientists believe it, what's the problem? Why the double standard.
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Old 03-04-2016, 05:07 PM
 
Location: USA
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Ignoring argumentum ad populum fallacy again? It doesn't matter if a million scientists agree. They could all be wrong. Hey Darwin was once mocked and laughed at for his theories by the majority.
Two billion Christians believe that the corpse of Jesus came back to life and subsequently flew away. Argumentum ad populum?

Galileo used an early telescope to prove that the Earth and planets orbit the sun, and wrote a book describing his findings. He was not merely "mocked and laughed at for his 'theories.'" The Pope had him taken to the torture chamber where he was shown the various instruments of torture. Then the Pope ordered him to completely recant his book and his findings. Which he promptly did. He then spent the rest of his life under house arrest in his villa. Meanwhile the Earth and the planets continued to orbit the sun.

In 1992 the Catholic church confirmed that Galileo was right after all. Way to stay on top of things religion!
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/wo...-it-moves.html

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If science has proven it then would be saying evolution fact, not theory, and there wouldn't be any disputes. Sorry, but primates transitioning into humans has NEVER been observed and NEVER tested. The only way you can prove it is to live a million years old and watch it happen.
You completely misunderstand and misrepresent the scientific use of the word "theory."

Wikipedia
Theory
In modern science, the term "theory" refers to scientific theories, a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science. Such theories are described in such a way that any scientist in the field is in a position to understand and either provide empirical support ("verify") or empirically contradict ("falsify") it. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better characterized by the word 'hypothesis'). Scientific theories are distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory


Basic Electrical Theory
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The Theory of Gravitation
The Feynman Lectures on Physics Vol. I Ch. 7: The Theory of Gravitation

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General Theory of Relativity - Special and General Relativity - The Physics of the Universe

The use of the term "theory" in association with these disciplines is not an indication that they are in any way in doubt. At best it is an indication that there is more to learn. But there is ALWAYS more to learn.

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Old 03-04-2016, 06:28 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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You completely misunderstand and misrepresent the scientific use of the word "theory."
.......The use of the term "theory" in association with these disciplines is not an indication that they are in any way in doubt. At best it is an indication that there is more to learn. But there is ALWAYS more to learn.
Jeff has been told that many, many times. Many times.

He keeps ignoring it. Only those who do not want to learn will remain truly ignorant. And Jeff, I am calling you ignorant, because you keep proving it. Obtuse is actually a better term. If you refuse to accept what a scientific theory is, you know, like the the theory of gravity, and how it comes about, you are someone who can't be educated.

And this is not insulting you. It's outlining a fact. You. Are. Willfully. Ignorant.

Willfully.
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Jeff has been told that many, many times. Many times.

He keeps ignoring it. Only those who do not want to learn will remain truly ignorant. And Jeff, I am calling you ignorant, because you keep proving it. Obtuse is actually a better term. If you refuse to accept what a scientific theory is, you know, like the the theory of gravity, and how it comes about, you are someone who can't be educated.

And this is not insulting you. It's outlining a fact. You. Are. Willfully. Ignorant.

Willfully.
It's the FODI in action.

Ricocheting truth and reality into their nethersphere.

Whilst they cocoon themselves within the covers of their mouldy, old holy book, fiercely pretending it is true.
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The very fact that Christian willfully deny provable facts (which are quite obvious to others), in favor of their moldy old book of words is proof that their God is man made.
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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A recall would not be done if the redesign or fix causes bigger problems and MORE deaths. But that is what you are demanding of God. You think He should have created us as terminators that can live forever in a sin corrupted world and that's not possible. The curse of sin made our bodies less perfect and die eventually.
Logic and reason are not your strong suits, are they? Where on earth did you learn that garbage?
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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A recall would not be done if the redesign or fix causes bigger problems and MORE deaths. But that is what you are demanding of God. You think He should have created us as terminators that can live forever in a sin corrupted world and that's not possible. The curse of sin made our bodies less perfect and die eventually.
The only curse the curse of the creator. You know, the one who duffed it in his creating man in his own image. Remember that little snippet. We are made in the image of God. If we are sinful and wicked then God is sinful and wicked. And indeed, a quick read of the OT quickly shows just how sinful and wicked God really is.

Alternatively, God is a construct of man who we made in our own image. That would make God sinful and wicked just like we are. And indeed, a quick read of the OT ....
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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When are we going to get to the part that proves God was created by man? We have over 500 posts already and I'm starting to get impatient!
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Old 03-04-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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When are we going to get to the part that proves God was created by man? We have over 500 posts already and I'm starting to get impatient!
It's some kind of Internet Law in action: all debates about religion will eventually turn into a debate about homosexuality or evolution.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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When are we going to get to the part that proves God was created by man? We have over 500 posts already and I'm starting to get impatient!
Proving that God doesn't exist is like proving purple 6 legged aliens don't live in a dimension we can't see in the middle of the black hole at the center of the Milky Way . No one can really prove they don't, and if people are going to choose to believe they do and challenge you to disprove their ideas there not really anything you can offer to change what they want to believe if they are determined to believe without evidence .
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