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Jesus was a great spiritual teacher and a very wise man. But he was not God.
I find the whole concept that Jesus was the embodiment of God to be one of the most ridiculous aspects of Christianity. God is a force that controls this entire universe, the most powerful, omnipotent and immense force imaginable.
Yet some of you think that this infinite power took the human form. And came to Earth for a while to teach us?
Jesus Christ was just like the thousands of other very smart, enlightened spiritual teachers out there. No more no less.
If you do think JC was God, I would love to hear what makes you think this, and how you think this is possible.
If you do think JC was God, I would love to hear what makes you think this, and how you think this is possible.
God's consciousness (Holy Spirit) is what creates the universal field that defines the universe and its metrics . . . (I suppose you could say the universe is in "God's Imagination" . . . as are we . . . in God's Image???). Jesus possesses the same consciousness (resonates) with God's consciousness . . . but it was imprisoned in a human body (spiritual womb) until His death and rebirth as Spirit (as we are supposed to do) Thus, they are all three one and the same consciousness.
God's consciousness (Holy Spirit) is what creates the universal field that defines the universe and its metrics . . . (I suppose you could say the universe is in "God's Imagination" . . . as are we . . . in God's Image???). Jesus possesses the same consciousness (resonates) with God's consciousness . . . but it was imprisoned in a human body (spiritual womb) until His death and rebirth as Spirit (as we are supposed to do) Thus, they are all three one and the same consciousness.
I understand that this is the belief. But what I am wondering is why you think that Jesus was God? What makes you believe that this is in fact true?
The Buddhists believes that anybody who achieves enlightenment becomes the embodiment of God. They believe the God can exist in many people at the same time and that God is basically like a force that is everywhere. This sounds a lot more reasonable to me.
The problem I have with the Jesus belief. Is that I think the idea that ALL of Gods energy went into this one guy just doesn't not sound reasonable at all. It claims that this guy was somehow unique among other spiritual teachers. And it claims that God is some kind of force that is seperate and detached from the rest of us.
I understand that this is the belief. But what I am wondering is why you think that Jesus was God? What makes you believe that this is in fact true?
The Buddhists believes that anybody who achieves enlightenment becomes the embodiment of God. They believe the God can exist in many people at the same time and that God is basically like a force that is everywhere. This sounds a lot more reasonable to me.
The problem I have with the Jesus belief. Is that I think the idea that ALL of Gods energy went into this one guy just doesn't not sound reasonable at all. It claims that this guy was somehow unique among other spiritual teachers. And it claims that God is some kind of force that is seperate and detached from the rest of us.
Seems like a tall tale to me.
On the contrary . . . we are ALL supposed to be part of God. We are mere spiritual embryos (seeds implanted . . . begotten of God). The problem is no one was getting close enough to the consciousness required to be reborn as Spirit (perhaps instead of reincarnated???). Not Krishna, not Buddha, . . . whatever. So Christ did it . . closing the "spiritual synapse" with God consciousness. You know how an infant cannot do certain things until the appropriate synapses are in place . . . our infant human spirit could not resonate with God consciousness until one of us actually did it. The missing ingredient was an active blending of emotion with spirit (not denial of emotions or desire . . . Nirvana) as long as they are the positive emotions. Only the negative emotions needed to be overcome and removed from our consciousness in love of God and each other. The other disciplines were close but missed the boat completely.
On the contrary . . . we are ALL supposed to be part of God. We are mere spiritual embryos (seeds implanted . . . begotten of God). The problem is no one was getting close enough to the consciousness required to be reborn as Spirit (perhaps instead of reincarnated???). Not Krishna, not Buddha, . . . whatever. So Christ did it . . closing the "spiritual synapse" with God consciousness. You know how an infant cannot do certain things until the appropriate synapses are in place . . . our infant human spirit could not resonate with God consciousness until one of us actually did it. The missing ingredient was an active blending of emotion with spirit (not denial of emotions or desire . . . Nirvana) as long as they are the positive emotions. Only the negative emotions needed to be overcome and removed from our consciousness in love of God and each other. The other disciplines were close but missed the boat completely.
Okay, this all sounds somewhat reasonable.
But my real question is WHY do you believe this about JC? I understand the concepts you are talking about and everything. I just dont understand what makes you believe this about Jesus.
I read a similar story a long time ago about a Native American shaman who became so spiritually enlightened that his physical body disapeared and he "became one with the great eagle".
I've read stories like this from cultures all around the world.
There are LOTS of stories out there just like the Jesus story. So why do people choose to beleive so whole-heartedly in Jesus specifically? I do not see what exactly makes people view him as superior to others.
Also, what makes you so sure that Krsna and Buddha did not do it? I do not see any "missing ingredient" in their teachings. And when I compare the discipline and lifestyle of Buddhists to Christians. The Buddhists are much more spiritual.
In fact, most Christians I know are hypocrits who do not live a spiritual life very much at all. But that's another topic.
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But my real question is WHY do you believe this about JC? I understand the concepts you are talking about and everything. I just dont understand what makes you believe this about Jesus.
I read a similar story a long time ago about a Native American shaman who became so spiritually enlightened that his physical body disapeared and he "became one with the great eagle".
I've read stories like this from cultures all around the world.
There are LOTS of stories out there just like the Jesus story. So why do people choose to beleive so whole-heartedly in Jesus specifically?
Also, what makes you so sure that Krsna and Buddha did not do it?
This is precisely the point of my quest through the "spiritual fossil record" (myths, legends, scriptures, etc.) in the belief that if there is a physical design (in our DNA) for our physical evolution . . . there must also be one for our cognitive (spiritual) evolution as well. This would be revealed in the "spiritual fossil record" as parallels in thought at progressively more sophisticated levels of abstract cognition. Once I found the one that captured the minds of humankind and followed the expectations in the record (in "prophesy") so powerfully it was unmistakable (Jesus) . . . I knew I had found the right one. The fact that NOTHING about Him or His origins could possibly explain His impact (a nobody carpenter in a remote and insignificant sector of the Roman Empire rejected by His own minor Jewish polity) . . . sufficiently established His credentials to me. This was no Alexander the Great.
This is precisely the point of my quest through the "spiritual fossil record" (myths, legends, scriptures, etc.) in the belief that if there is a physical design (in our DNA) for our physical evolution . . . there must also be one for our cognitive (spiritual) evolution as well. This would be revealed in the "spiritual fossil record" as parallels in thought at progressively more sophisticated levels of abstract cognition. Once I found the one that captured the minds of humankind and followed the expectations in the record (in "prophesy") so powerfully it was unmistakable (Jesus) . . . I knew I had found the right one. The fact that NOTHING about Him or His origins could possibly explain His impact (a nobody carpenter in a remote and insignificant sector of the Roman Empire rejected by His own minor Jewish polity) . . . sufficiently established His credentials to me. This was no Alexander the Great.
I respect your opinion about Christianity. You sound like a Christian who is more level-headed than average and chose the Christian path based on good reasons. You sound like maybe you are one of the few American Christians who actually walks the walk and doesn't just talk the talk.
But personally, I do not feel like Jesus' teachings captured the truth any better than other spiritual disciplines. I think that if we want to be spiritual though, we must find the right path for ourselves and just go for it. The real Godliness is what happens in ourselves, not in the path we follow.
The path is simply a way to get to the top of the mountain. The path itself is not important.
I have always found other spiritual paths to be more powerful than Christianity and much more straight forward. The main problem I have with Christianity, is that in order to believe in it, you must refute so many other teachings. And many of the teachings in Christianity seem very, very unnatural, and seem to be edited into the Bible later in history by politicians, monks and others.
And Christianity has a lot of dogma and rules. I beleive true spirituality has no dogma and no rules. Only progress and regression.
There are some true Christians who are devout and really spiritual. But they are probably much ess than 1% these days.
Also, what makes you so sure that Krsna and Buddha did not do it? I do not see any "missing ingredient" in their teachings. And when I compare the discipline and lifestyle of Buddhists to Christians. The Buddhists are much more spiritual.
In fact, most Christians I know are hypocrits who do not live a spiritual life very much at all. But that's another topic.
You wont get any argument out of me (I was Buddhist for 18+years) . . . but the Master is not evaluated by those who choose to follow . . . but by those He chooses. Once Jesus made the connection . . . I am certain that many then did "make it." As I am fond of saying . . some of my favorite Christians are atheists, buddhists, agnostics, etc. We are supposed to be joyful, loving, compassionate, etc. (ALL the positive emotions) . . . not fearful, obedient "pets" seeking rewards and avoiding punishment.
Ignore stooges like funkymonk-his absurd comments are designed to cause anger. He is one of the many who seem bent on deriding the teachings of Jesus, which right there makes one wonder what his own dogma is-he claims he doesn't have one, but funkymonk you lie. His comments about teachings of Christianity are one of hatred, he is either an atheist, muslim or some crackpot who has decided like old Caligula that he is a God himself. This is the only post in which I will banter with this fool. Others, who read his post-just ignore him or her. What he is really saying is he does not like having to answer for anything he does. One can read the teachings of Christ with an open mind and see for themselves that he was more than just some man. He was the son of God and that is that. Time has tested our faith, as well as idiots like this person have. As the great Martin Luther King Jr. said of Civil Rights, but it fits here-We Have and We always will overcome! Especially when it comes to overcoming the small minded haters like funkymonk.
I respect your opinion about Christianity. You sound like a Christian who is more level-headed than average and chose the Christian path based on good reasons. You sound like maybe you are one of the few American Christians who actually walks the walk and doesn't just talk the talk.
But personally, I do not feel like Jesus' teachings captured the truth any better than other spiritual disciplines. I think that if we want to be spiritual though, we must find the right path for ourselves and just go for it. The real Godliness is what happens in ourselves, not in the path we follow.
The path is simply a way to get to the top of the mountain. The path itself is not important.
I have always found other spiritual paths to be more powerful than Christianity and much more straight forward. The main problem I have with Christianity, is that in order to believe in it, you must refute so many other teachings. And many of the teachings in Christianity seem very, very unnatural, and seem to be edited into the Bible later in history by politicians, monks and others.
And Christianity has a lot of dogma and rules. I beleive true spirituality has no dogma and no rules. Only progress and regression.
There are some true Christians who are devout and really spiritual. But they are probably much ess than 1% these days.
I cannot argue with your perspective . . . I agree with it for the most part. The Christianity you speak of is really a "Churchianity"" or "Bibleanity" . . . not Christianity. Dogma is irrelevant . . so are rules , etc. . . . our "state of mind" is the crucial element. Following Christ consciousness in love of God and each other is the path ALL the enlightened will utlimately end up on . . . however they start out. I like the analogy that one of the Christian posters here used. The path is not a straw . . . it is a funnel.
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