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So if I build a new house and someone comes in and demolishes it, I am responsible
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Originally Posted by maat55
This is nonsense. You clearly have a political leaning influencing your mindset. Even if a god created our world we are efficiently using it to support the masses. Human nature would be purely gods responsibility. Humanity is clearly surpassing biblical morality.
your correct it is nonsense to believe if someone demolishes my house I am responsible for it.
Not if it is understood via the mind of Christ.
However if you are referring to extreme fundamentalisms of any kind, be it christian, Islam, atheism you would be correct; humanity would be better off without them.
There is enough food in the world to take care of everyone. So why is this God's fault? You have corrupt leaders who sieze food and aid supplies for their own evil greed. I don't blame God for the starving people of North Korea. I blame Kim Jong-un.
Why should man be taken off the hook for the evils in this world? Is it not man that is destroying the ozone layer. What are the effects of that being destroyed? more tornadoes, hurricanes, floods etc.What about cutting down the forests, do you not think that can have global consequences? yet of course it is all Gods fault
You know that doesn't work. Of course I agree that man is responsible for trying to make the world better - because there is only us capable of doing so.
But, if there was a hands -on god, there might be a case for saying 'cut down the rain forests - you deserve what you get', but someone that masterminded the church even interfering with Paul's free will (according to the writer of Acts) in order to do it. That god couldn't send a message or two of good advice to a few people where it counts?
But that doesn't even address naturally occurring bad stuff that does no good and teaches us nothing. Yet the bod who can still a storm, part a sea and apparently made the whole shebang to start with, can't even warn of a Tsunami let alone prevent it.
Pneuma - there's just us. There's no god You know it. I know it.
P.s the analogy of the house is of course inaccurate. It looks on the face of it ok, like the parable of the Barber. But like that parable it fails because God can do anything - so we are told.
Ok, so God builds a perfectly good house and we come and ruin it. So nobody even turns up to tell us how to look after it? Even without that, if the bulder doesn't turn up with a wrecking ball himself, you'd think an omnipotent landlord would stop someone else doing it.
Old son,. the excuses don't work.
We are on our own doing our best with the hand nature dealt us. That works.
There is enough food in the world to take care of everyone. So why is this God's fault? You have corrupt leaders who sieze food and aid supplies for their own evil greed. I don't blame God for the starving people of North Korea. I blame Kim Jong-un.
See the answer below...no make that above...
And none of that does squat to validate gospel Jesus. It is all damage limitation for an inept cosmic administration, which at least does have the very best excuse of all -there isn't anyone in office.
There is enough food in the world to take care of everyone. So why is this God's fault? You have corrupt leaders who sieze food and aid supplies for their own evil greed. I don't blame God for the starving people of North Korea. I blame Kim Jong-un.
Because an omniscient being would know that this was going to happen and still created the universe where this is allowed to happen.
Because an omniscient being would know that this was going to happen and still created the universe where this is allowed to happen.
Correct. We are in excuse territory here. It's the old, old situation where there is not only no valid evidence for or reason to believe in any god, Bible god, Gospel - Jesus or the Christian church(es) but it is all excuses and evasions to fend of the heap of reasons to suppose there are no gods, especially no Bible -god, and specially especially no Gospel Jesus and most specially especially no divine intention to found any kind of Church.
There is enough food in the world to take care of everyone. So why is this God's fault? You have corrupt leaders who sieze food and aid supplies for their own evil greed. I don't blame God for the starving people of North Korea. I blame Kim Jong-un.
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
Because an omniscient being would know that this was going to happen and still created the universe where this is allowed to happen.
You wouldn't have to ask the question Jeff if you watched the video Jeff.
Go ahead. It won't change your mind but what whe he heck
So if I build a new house and someone comes in and demolishes it, I am responsible
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Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15
If you also built the someone's, yes.
Especially if you're omniscient
Pretty simple, huh?
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Originally Posted by pneuma
don't confuse your concept of God with mine
My apologies. Thought you had one of those creator omnigods.
Noted
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