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And the point is that it WAS taught 2,000 years ago, but you can't accept that what Jesus had to say contradicts parts of what was CLAIMED to come from God said about Him.
Only if you don't actually read the Bible.
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The difference is in the authority recognized and the reasons for that recognition. Examine why you don't trust the authority Jesus promised.
Seriously? You MUST mean "only if you can't bring yourself to jump through all the hoops put up in order to come up with a "systematic theology." Simply reading all the different concepts presented concerning the nature of God in the OT gives the exact opposite conclusion.
Why is it you do NOT speak badly of the primitive evil in the Bible??? How can you NOT see the conflicts and contradictory morality in full view of any objective reader???
Amen.
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Again....we have some guy in 2017 telling us that God is immoral because of the things he did in the Bible. It takes some incredible arrogance to make such a statement, that one is above God. You judge us every single day, and tell us that your subjective standard of "agape love" is the way. And they way YOU define that is what needs to be followed.
We do NOT say God is immoral. We say the primitive men who lacked any real knowledge of the world CLAIMED that God did or ordered immoral things. They were wrong! There is nothing SUBJECTIVE about the absolute standard of Agape love. Jesus described it in detail in the Sermon on the Mount, 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5. What do you NOT understand about that????
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You ask how we don't condemn the Bible? How do you not condemn your own sinful heart? How do you pretend for a second to be above God?
No, we do NOT ask why you don't condemn the Bible. We do NOT condemn the Bible. We rightly divide it. You do NOT! How do you know my heart to accuse it of being sinful? Why do you count sins when Jesus said our Father is NOT counting them against us?
We do NOT say God is immoral. We say the primitive men who lacked any real knowledge of the world CLAIMED that God did or ordered immoral things. They were wrong! There is nothing SUBJECTIVE about the absolute standard of Agape love. Jesus described it in detail in the Sermon on the Mount, 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5. What do you NOT understand about that???? No, we do NOT ask why you don't condemn the Bible. We do NOT condemn the Bible. We rightly divide it. You do NOT! How do you know my heart to accuse it of being sinful? Why do you count sins when Jesus said our Father is NOT counting them against us?
G-d ordered the destruction of the enemies of Israel because they were hellbent on destroying His plan of salvation through an heir of Abraham, of which there would have been NONE for Jesus to come through, had He not,. He gave man a measure of free will, and that is what those men chose to do with theirs, so he stopped them dead in their tracks. So get over it, it's bible 101, His ultimate purpose far exceeds anything else in priority, it was His plan from the beginning of creation. Peace
G-d ordered the destruction of the enemies of Israel because they were hellbent on destroying His plan of salvation through an heir of Abraham, of which there would have been NONE for Jesus to come through, had He not,. He gave man a measure of free will, and that is what those men chose to do with theirs, so he stopped them dead in their tracks. So get over it, it's bible 101, His ultimate purpose far exceeds anything else in priority, it was His plan from the beginning of creation. Peace
It's a storybook. Your g-d is a character. A nasty, brutish, savage, psychotic, mass-murdering character.
I hate that character. It's disgusting.
And I fear the simple-minded who think it's real. Because they blow people up and drive planes into buildings and shoot doctors and harass gays and elect morons.
We do NOT say God is immoral. We say the primitive men who lacked any real knowledge of the world CLAIMED that God did or ordered immoral things. They were wrong! There is nothing SUBJECTIVE about the absolute standard of Agape love. Jesus described it in detail in the Sermon on the Mount, 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5. What do you NOT understand about that???? No, we do NOT ask why you don't condemn the Bible. We do NOT condemn the Bible. We rightly divide it. You do NOT! How do you know my heart to accuse it of being sinful? Why do you count sins when Jesus said our Father is NOT counting them against us?
You seem pretty dogmatic about that stuff.
Fact is...you are acting as a pharisee if you think the standard is love. Because Jesus said it was the summary of the Law. Congratulations...you're basing your belief in God on the Law.
Fact is...you are acting as a pharisee if you think the standard is love. Because Jesus said it was the summary of the Law. Congratulations...you're basing your belief in God on the Law.
Seriously? How can you not understand that what Jesus was saying is the the PRINCIPLE that should animate law (which can never be perfect) is fulfilled when we live in the love of God and man? That people committed to that principle do not REQUIRE laws to do what is right?
Seriously? How can you not understand that what Jesus was saying is the the PRINCIPLE that should animate law (which can never be perfect) is fulfilled when we live in the love of God and man? That people committed to that principle do not REQUIRE laws to do what is right?
Why are you fighting this so hard?
What happens if we don't "live the principle"? Or if we don't "live in the love of God and man"?
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We do NOT say God is immoral. We say the primitive men who lacked any real knowledge of the world CLAIMED that God did or ordered immoral things. They were wrong! There is nothing SUBJECTIVE about the absolute standard of Agape love. Jesus described it in detail in the Sermon on the Mount, 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5. What do you NOT understand about that???? No, we do NOT ask why you don't condemn the Bible. We do NOT condemn the Bible. We rightly divide it. You do NOT! How do you know my heart to accuse it of being sinful? Why do you count sins when Jesus said our Father is NOT counting them against us?
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G-d ordered the destruction of the enemies of Israel because they were hellbent on destroying His plan of salvation through an heir of Abraham, of which there would have been NONE for Jesus to come through, had He not,. He gave man a measure of free will, and that is what those men chose to do with theirs, so he stopped them dead in their tracks. So get over it, it's bible 101, His ultimate purpose far exceeds anything else in priority, it was His plan from the beginning of creation. Peace
Who exactly HEARD God give those orders, Rbbi? Why do you believe him? How do you know what the enemies of Israel were hellbent on doing other than defeat Israel? Who at that time knew the hearts and minds of Israel's enemies?
Who exactly HEARD God give those orders, Rbbi? Why do you believe him? How do you know what the enemies of Israel were hellbent on doing other than defeat Israel? Who at that time knew the hearts and minds of Israel's enemies?
It's interesting that the first tactic Satan used was to cast doubt on what God had said. You seem to bent on doing just that.
As for the question you addressed.....there really isn't any indication that their enemies wanted to interrupt the Messianic line, but we do know that God instructed the Israelites to remain separate and pure from the surrounding nations for that reason.
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