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Old 01-18-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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Modern science is the product of the superior human mind
Especially the European
Because modern science was created in countries that carry democratic ideas and I believe that Christianity was an important factor in the development of modern science

And because these systems have freedom of expression, freedom of action and thought
The trend is that some trends believe that the world has not been created by one individual but that it has evolved spontaneously, orderly and orderly

That is, they deny that there is a Creator as provided by the ancient and modern religions
But it can be proved that those theories lead to the recognition that the Creator exists

The following hypothesis is advanced
That is due to the evolution of races
And over millions of years
There is a boom in one species
That boom was so great that it created a dominant entity in evolution
This possibility is permissible according to the theory of automatic evolution as well as the theory of random evolution

The creature became creative and dominant in other varieties

This is what we call the Creator or it may be God or any name called in other languages
That's why I think
Science is able to prove that religions are mistakes and that there are legends
But he will not be able to deny that the Creator exists
Even according to the theory of evolution in all its negative and positive prospects

Yes, evolution leads to the emergence of superior beings in her mind
As was Einstein and the inventor of electricity
And other scholars
But even Einstein was doomed in the equation of life and death
Because he could not get rid of them
He gave science to mankind but he could not get rid of his destiny
On the ground
This is also proof that man controls some aspects of life but there
There were issues he could no
control
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"the inventor of electricity"


so.much.wrong.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:23 AM
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Besides the factual errors in the post, is there a point that you're attempting to make, or questions you're asking?
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Besides the factual errors in the post, is there a point that you're attempting to make, or questions you're asking?
This is one of those times when a fundamentalist and an atheist had exactly the same thought and exactly the same question.
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I think the point is that "guided evolution" is a possibility if you don't take the Genesis account literally, and that there may be arguments in favor just because of the nature of intelligence and consciousness as ends of that guidance.
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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Still evolution theories are made from mutation of the cells to change life for the better , or these mutation would doom the species ..... You don`t see mutation change anything of a evolution ideas , as mutations of cells would be insignificant as there must have been a creator
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I think the point is that "guided evolution" is a possibility if you don't take the Genesis account literally, and that there may be arguments in favor just because of the nature of intelligence and consciousness as ends of that guidance.

Okay. Guided evolution. Fine.

What's your actual evidence?
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Land of the Tonkawa and Kiowa
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Modern science is the product of the superior human mind
LOL I had to stop with just the first sentence. Modern science isn't necessarily anything special, and the modern (at least American) mind is inferior to say 100 or especially 150 years ago. For example, take a look at the modern American kid in school and what he/she studies. Then compare that to say, someone like Henry David Thoreau in grammar school. He studied Greek composition and grammar, Demosthenes, Sophocles, Euripedes, and Homer, Latin grammar, Livy, Horace, Cicero, Seneca, geometry, algebra, plane and analytic trigonometry, differential and integral calculus, mechanics, optics, magnetism, topography, various types of philosophy, languages (German, Italian, Spanish, French), and a number of other studies that I won't bother repeating. Plus, people in the past didn't have video games and TV to sit around and play with instead of using their brains and exploring on their own.
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:07 AM
 
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Still evolution theories are made from mutation of the cells to change life for the better , or these mutation would doom the species ..... You don`t see mutation change anything of a evolution ideas , as mutations of cells would be insignificant as there must have been a creator
Nope. We REALLY don't want yet Another Evolution -thread, but the Creationist claim that mutations are always detrimental is not true and based either on ignorance or deliberate misinformation.

Neither do the efforts to make evolution statistically impossible or similar arguments from complexity stand up. Don't the science -skeptics point up that science can never be sure of anything? So how can they then expect to be given credence when they assert that some feature of evolution is "Impossible", when it is already known that their parameters (usually "too complex to be statistically possible") are invalid.

There is a case for theistic evolution (though it depends on what is undisprovable rather than what is provable) but you will really not do the case for Goddunit much good in repeating falsehoods and fallacies which will just be shown to be wrong and - as i say - being ignorance or lies. You can no longer rely of religious domination of the media to keep the refutations silent. Thast is never going to happen now and you will be called on it and debunked every tome.

As i say, Goddunit has a case, and theistic evolution an easier one as it doesn't need to be constantly trying to dismiss and debunk the evidence and often making themselves look ignorant or dishonest in the process. You may have to see Genesis as metaphor rather than a reliable record of events, and I can understand completely that, oince you admit some of the Bible is not actually true, then you have set foot on the slippery slope and you are fighting after that not to end up at the bottom.

Si it's your choice, and I don't mind which in the sense that you are going to lose ground either way, but only that I am pretty tired of dealing the same old debunked Creationist I/D claims, time and again.
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Still evolution theories are made from mutation of the cells to change life for the better , or these mutation would doom the species ..... You don`t see mutation change anything of a evolution ideas , as mutations of cells would be insignificant as there must have been a creator
The concept of evolution is that over time mutations cause a species to evolve. Mutations can be for the good or the bad. Species have disappeared for 2 basic reasons -- "bad" evolutionary trends or catastrophic changes in the environment (such as at the end of the Mesozoic Era). We can see bad mutations in every day human life -- cells mutate and cancer develops.

Could such evolutionary changes be caused by a creator. Sure. But where is evidence for that? That's would be the same as saying that God causes you to get cancer. How nice of him. Here's a list of most conditions/diseases cause by changes in genes. Those who want to believe in cause-by-creator are also saying that all of these health conditions are caused by god. Gee, thanks god for your death sentences.
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