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Religion defines one’s relationship with that which one understands as a higher power or supernatural state. Members of each religion rely upon inspired scribes who can only write down what they understand or comprehend, thus are limited by their own language, experience and knowledge. No one is dismissing the inspiration, nor the lofty goal of sublime morality, but remember to excuse the factual accuracy of such writings, when transcribing that which is, by definition, about the supernatural or metaphysical nondimensional timeless realm of pure thought.
I'm dismissing the inspiration - if you mean, being directed by God what to write (factual errors are down to the writers, of course) as just a faith -claim, and also the lofty goal of sublime morality, because human moral codes can in fact do much better today.
Any poster on CD who refers to him/herself as a Christian must be acknowledged as one.
Even JWs.
Yes. No self -professed Christian is justified in saying that another self -professed Christian is not (unless it's something obvious that lacks the basics) on doctrinal grounds, as the other party could say just the same, and damn' each other to perdition while the atheists fall about, laughing.
I'm dismissing the inspiration - if you mean, [1] being directed by God what to write (factual errors are down to the writers, of course) as just a faith -claim, and also the lofty goal of sublime morality, [2] because human moral codes can in fact do much better today.
[1] I don't know of any instance where God told someone what to write. Scribes usually recorded what others said about God (or that angels said). Even Moses didn't originally write the Ten Commandments - God did - on stone tablets.
[2] If I understand your objection, thou shalt not steal, bear false witness, murder, etc, are inferior to socialist compulsory charity (slavery) and expropriation of surplus (theft by government)?
OKEY DOKEY.
[2] If I understand your objection, thou shalt not steal, bear false witness, murder, etc, are inferior to socialist compulsory charity (slavery) and expropriation of surplus (theft by government)?
OKEY DOKEY.
So you do not steal, murder, or bear false witness because it is in a book? What a strange idea.
And the people before Moses did steal, murder, and bear false witness, because they did not have the 10 commandments until then?
And slavery? Your religious laws supports slavery.
[1] I don't know of any instance where God told someone what to write. Scribes usually recorded what others said about God (or that angels said). Even Moses didn't originally write the Ten Commandments - God did - on stone tablets.
if God didn't tell people what to write, then what they wrote is open to question as much as any other book. It stands and falls on its' own merits. Appeal to God as having some input into it is pointles.
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[2] If I understand your objection, thou shalt not steal, bear false witness, murder, etc, are inferior to socialist compulsory charity (slavery) and expropriation of surplus (theft by government)?
OKEY DOKEY.
You don't understand my objection. But I didn't give examples. A system of everyone kicking in to run the society they benefit from and helping the needy (as Jesus directed) which you call 'compulsory charity', is indeed better than the right wing morality of make as much money as you can, pay as little tax as you can get away with (religion pays none) and let the poor starve is they want to. And that is better than the actual slavery, subjugation of women and the endless killing of those who God directs to be killed. You know this is true as 'Kill' has to be redefines in order make the killing that God does - or orders - different from Other kinds of killing.
You may say that men kill. They do, but we don't claim it as good - not even war. Human morality beats Biblical.
[1] I don't know of any instance where God told someone what to write.
My Islam is a bit rusty at the moment but was the Quaran not meant to have been dictated via angelic proxy to an illiterate peasant? Isn't the fact it was dictated by god and hand written by someone who could otherwise not read or write - not meant to be part of the miracle of the text?
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
If I understand your objection
Which you seemingly do not as your summation of it was a complete straw man. The user said human rules _can_ be better. And you merely cherry picked the worst ones you could think of and equated them with his position. Not really an honest move from you.
It would be like me saying "Pet ownership _can_ be a good thing" and you coming back with "If I understand your position then - dog fighting in the pits for betting money is great?".
Religion defines one’s relationship with that which one understands as a higher power or supernatural state. Members of each religion rely upon inspired scribes who can only write down what they understand or comprehend, thus are limited by their own language, experience and knowledge. No one is dismissing the inspiration, nor the lofty goal of sublime morality, but remember to excuse the factual accuracy of such writings, when transcribing that which is, by definition, about the supernatural or metaphysical nondimensional timeless realm of pure thought.
I will also dismiss a divine inspiration.
Prophets and scribes certainly write all sorts of religious documents, but the content of those documents is the product of self delusional creative storytellling.
In a sense JK Rowling was inspired when she wrote the Harry Potter books, but it wasn’t divine. Same thing goes for every religious scripture ever known.
He did create a book with no contradictions, or inaccuracies. He even created 66 of them, that don't contradict each other or have inaccuracies.
You're dreaming as usual.
Interested parties, want to take a look at a "small" critique called "50,000 Errors in the Bible. Don't try to get through them all you'll go crazy trying to cross-reference them. Here's just a sample"
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6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17 God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
Fundamentalists keep repeating this lie about the Bible being without error, but more and more the truth that it isn't is coming back to leave them with enough egg all over their faces to cook an omelet for the entire homeless population.
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