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I am not at all Religious...never have been, and I am sure never will be.
My beliefs (Panthiest) are 100% logical and reasonable. I have full faith in them.
Pantheism is a religious belief. But I don't think you really believe it. You pick it only because you think you don't have the burden of proof anymore.
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No, I need to slam religion because a few days ago, 2 police officers and a civilian were murdered across the border from me.
So your point is a straw one.
So clearly you do NOT understand.
He doesn't. The only thing I wonder, as I always do is whether he thinks he has the argument right or whether he knows it's wrong but doesn't care so long as he can wind atheists up.
And I think we know why - it is because you know deep down that your own religious beliefs are WEAK and you want those things that challenge those precious beliefs to be just as WEAK. You are a dishonest person in my view or seriously warped in your thinking by trying such strategies. It's precisely the reason you do this -because you don't have good arguments to justify that faith.
You would do this discussion and this forum a great service if you stopped pretending to know why anyone posts what they post and focus on the content of the posts NOT your opinions of the poster.
You would do this discussion and this forum a great service if you stopped pretending to know why anyone posts what they post and focus on the content of the posts NOT your opinions of the poster.
We could give you some good advice about how to think and post old mate, but you wouldn't listen, so why should we listen to you?
But Goldie is a special case. He gives himself away by what he posts. That's how we get some ideas about why someone posts. Because, after all, what he preaches is nonsense and sometimes in such blatant disregard of honesty that we are justified in wondering whether he is knowingly being honest.
For my part, I would bet on him being a wind -up artist. With his 'pantheism' he doesn't have to defend anything. He doesn't have to validate a god. He just picks up your idea that 'everything is "God" and his beliefs (he has no "Religion", of course) are proven by 'everything' existing.
You are at least honest enough to know that "God" needs to be intelligent or it can't honestly be called "God".
Goldie doesn't admit that, but does what I am sure he knows is quite dishonest - picks from a list of definitions the one that is mere hyperbole and pretends that is the Only definition that exists: "Something of supreme importance".
He knows what he is doing, and he knows that he had adopted a position where by denying everything (including that he Once accepted that "God" had to be intelligent. When he realised that meant the burden of proof was back on him, be back - peddled with some cunningly meaningless small print ("Intelligent" to the extent that it needs to be to accomplish its functions" or something like that).
I won't rehearse all the clues, but what we have here is a mind so crafty that I doubt whether he believes anything of what he claims - including his endorsement of your preachings, because it gave him something he could use (once he dropped anything he would have to validate) to "Prove" that God exists as a mere rhetorical trick (as is yours of course) so he could claim that atheism was debunked because "God" does exist, without him having to prove anything.
Nobody can be 100% sure, but I am confident this is what he does, and that it isn't because he really believes it. It is (as is not uncommon) based on a dislike of (New|) atheists. Whether it's a hatred of Liburl thinking like Arach or because as I suspect he wants to feel really really pleased with himself by tying up those smug atheist bastards who are so sure of their views.
That what I'm putting my money on. He is winding up an atheist - not for Jesus, but for himself.
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You are overreacting. Faith is a state of mind that involves certainty, period. You are concerned with the degree of validity of the reasons for the certainty, but that is not relevant to the state of mind itself. It is only relevant to your secondhand acceptance of someone else's certainty which is based on those things YOU have Faith in (certainty) about.
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You would do this discussion and this forum a great service if you stopped pretending to know why anyone posts what they post and focus on the content of the posts NOT your opinions of the poster.
I am not misrepresenting...you are.
Because no evidence is 100% certain and infallible, you need to work off of "probability".
Sooooooo...you need some level of faith (in the probability of its merit) to believe anything is valid and true.
See how that works?
Yes, you are pretending all faith is equal. As I explained earlier.
Christians love to play this dishonest word game with 'faith' and 'belief', so that they can pretend the overwhelming evidence against their position can be simply dismissed.
'Faith' and 'belief' are ambiguous, and that is why you are playing this semantic game, because you want to make out that my faith that the sun will rise tomorrow (based on evidence) is just as bad as the faith that Jesus was born 3 times AND not at all (ignorance of Christian and Roman history and what the NT actually says).
That is why you are arguing it is not probability that a coin toss will be heads half of the time, it is mere faith. I bet you dare not try that same experiment with you punching yourself in the nose!
I am not at all Religious...never have been, and I am sure never will be.
My beliefs (Panthiest) are 100% logical and reasonable. I have full faith in them.
I have seen your arguments. Your faith is misplaced.
lmao, they absolutely freak out over three letters. When people froth at the mouth over the three letters, for it or against it, its a tell. There is no reasonable conversation to be had about how the universe works with emotionally unstable people.
I am, and I know other atheists are, fine with the observations pointing to us being part of a larger more complex system. I don't call it god. Appealing to the "bagge of the three letters" issue means that we are actually addressing an emotionally unstable person and NOT the "how the universe works." Again, a major tell.
I wonder why they don't address the irrational people instead of changing, shunning, minimizing, and dehumanizing how the universe works?
lmao, silly me, we know the reason.
Yes, dishonest people like to redefine words. And dishonesty is bad. That is the reason. But if you two want to argue that you mean god instead of god, or God, or god, or that god, or some other god, or those gods, or gravity (which some call god), or god, or god (no, not that one, THAT one), feel free.
Words have meaning for a reason.
Now I am off for a GOD. I just hope my wife bought some chips today.
hey, we have that is the states too, but its the anti-religious socialist leading our charge against the police and civies.
Really? Because I thought it was the police who had a penchant for shooting people because they were black. Still, at least that is not as bad as kneeling for the national anthem.
You would do this discussion and this forum a great service if you stopped pretending to know why anyone posts what they post and focus on the content of the posts NOT your opinions of the poster.
You mean like focusing on arguments you and creationists have in common? Mmmh, now that might just work.
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