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You are overreacting. Faith is a state of mind that involves certainty, period. You are concerned with the degree of validity of the reasons for the certainty, but that is not relevant to the state of mind itself. It is only relevant to your secondhand acceptance of someone else's certainty which is based on those things YOU have Faith in (certainty) about.
Faith has two nearly opposite definitions.
Colloquially, faith is trust based on experience.
Religious faith on the other hand is belief based on asserted truth without a requirement of substantiation.
One is based on the preponderance of evidence and likelihood of repeating an experience concerning some aspect of the natural world.
The other is based on what one hopes is true concerning some aspect of the supernatural world.
Never the twain shall meet, and I'm deeply weary of theists conflating the two.
Religious faith on the other hand is belief based on asserted truth without a requirement of substantiation.
One is based on the preponderance of evidence and likelihood of repeating an experience concerning some aspect of the natural world.
The other is based on what one hopes is true concerning some aspect of the supernatural world.
Never the twain shall meet, and I'm deeply weary of theists conflating the two.
yup, a statement of belief about "god" based on "why I believe mine is the correct answer", in this case, anti-anything, to market atheism based on personal need. that personal need, usually based on a wrong doing, distorts, changes, minimizes, and will dehumanize anything, anybody, any event that threatens the person's faith statement about god in contexted of their sect of atheism.
yet again, you provide a nice example. reasonable interpretations and personal need based opinion on a statement of belief about god can't meet for some people. The drive to "avenge" themselves and family skews the world view. lmao, when just one look in the mirror closes most of the disconnects.
Us middle of the roaders, in this matter, are stuck between two ends of a human statement of belief boob stick.
I notice you neglected to bold "to a greater or lesser degree" or get that I noted "some" faith.
You are all hung up on "levels" of faith...and do not seem to understand that my point was that anything we accept as true requires a component of faith...not just religious beliefs, but anything.
BUT...I have FAITH that you'll "get it" if you keep trying!
I notice you neglected to bold "to a greater or lesser degree" or get that I noted "some" faith.
You are all hung up on "levels" of faith...and do not seem to understand that my point was that anything we accept as true requires a component of faith...not just religious beliefs, but anything.
BUT...I have FAITH that you'll "get it" if you keep trying!
Yes, we understand your point. It is you who fails to understand ours. The question is, is this by design?
Religious faith on the other hand is belief based on asserted truth without a requirement of substantiation.
One is based on the preponderance of evidence and likelihood of repeating an experience concerning some aspect of the natural world.
The other is based on what one hopes is true concerning some aspect of the supernatural world.
Never the twain shall meet, and I'm deeply weary of theists conflating the two.
And so you should be. Mystic is Educated enough to know logical fallacy when he sees it or at least to learn it when it is explained to him
. What is wrong with his head isn't Education ...but Something Else. For a stopgap, Faith -based denial, will do.
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I notice you neglected to bold "to a greater or lesser degree" or get that I noted "some" faith.
You are all hung up on "levels" of faith...and do not seem to understand that my point was that anything we accept as true requires a component of faith...not just religious beliefs, but anything.
BUT...I have FAITH that you'll "get it" if you keep trying!
No, I pointed that out and told why you were making the mistake that you did by not utilizing such distinctions and thus making contradictions in your statements. I used that as part of my arguments. I'm not hung up on anything. You need to stop equivocating and draw such distinctions and not refer to everything as faith and then back peddle when shown a lack of rigor in you descriptions.
Yes, we understand your point. It is you who fails to understand ours. The question is, is this by design?
I understand y'alls point just fine.
You feel the need to slam religion to support your own belief position. Which makes you just like them. Which is MY point.
No, I pointed that out and told why you were making the mistake that you did by not utilizing such distinctions and thus making contradictions in your statements. I used that as part of my arguments. I'm not hung up on anything. You need to stop equivocating and draw such distinctions and not refer to everything as faith and then back peddle when shown a lack of rigor in you descriptions.
Your failure to "get it" is on you, not me.
Anything you think you "know" is based upon some level of faith...and that's just how it is. That mindset is not limited to just religious beliefs...but applies to everything.
But now I have switched up my assessment: I now have FAITH that y'all will continue to be intentionally obtuse, so to support your bash-religion belief position.
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enough to know logical fallacy when he sees it or at least to learn it when it is explained to him
