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Faith is believing something that you know isnt true.
Con men (confidence men) use this ability to swindle naive people who don't even realize that such a thing is possible.
There isn't anything that does not require faith to believe.
Nothing is infallible... so, you always need faith in the veracity of the data/info it is based upon.
All you have is faith...you need to get hip to that.
Still, there’s a lot of educated people that believe in a higher power.
There are But don't fall into the "Authority - figure" beartrap. Newton was a genius at physics, but he believed in Astrology, Alchemy and Daniel -prophecy.
Einstein was also a top physicist, yet he let Faith in an Ordered universe blind him to the fact of Quantum Mechanics.
Anthony Flew was a top ..what, Philosopher? But he failed to wait for science to verify Behe's I/C claims and he went headlong into it.
Someone may be able to speak fifty languages or work out advanced mathematics in their head, or be the best Chessmaster ever, but know nothing about Japanese military history or not be able to boil an egg properly or remember to take their Passport when catching a plane to the chessmaster final.
Education up to Nobel prize level doesn't mean that such people cannot epically fail when confronted with something they haven't studied. In other words, they can be bamboozled, just as the ordinary clod in the street. Not, perhaps, so easily, especially if they are science trained and know to apply reason and be cautious about claims. Which is why Project Steve could collect massively more unbelieving scientists named Steve than the godbods could collect scientists who were Believers, in total.
That's a very good point. The the Christian who sits in church and believes, and who then walks out and is a truly good person...go to it.
But when that same Christian starts telling me/us how the country should operate or how the rest of us should think...well, that's why I'm here to say mind their own business.
Very good, both of you. The stories about how Jesus helped someone to become a better person, or how much charitable work they do, or even if Prayer really did work (the last test done showed that it didn't) may make a case for Christianity being useful and thus having a valid contribution Believers and churches can make to society. But none of that is a good reason to believe. Indeed, if an when we have a predominantly secularist USA with politicians knowing better than to proclaim their Godfaith if they want to be elected, churches paying their taxes like any other business and Religion -exploiting frauds and tricksters emptying slop buckets while dressed in arrowed pyjamas instead of living high on the hog my bilking deluded believers, they may find that this is the best reason they have to attract people into their churches.
On the other hand, seeing that charity is handled better by a humanist society (using the taxes paid by churches) and giving those who handed over their hundred dollar bills hoping that God would pull them out of the poverty -pit a life that bit better that they no longer lived in despair, and those who took the Cure gave up the medicine as son as they'd recovered, the churches might reason that since it was not putting bums on seats after all, what was the point of doing it? Since I strongly suspect that was the main point, anyway
If someone shouted "SNAKE!!" near you, you would believe them whether there was a snake or not. Precisely because your mid brain is gullible. Very gullible indeed.
I am still trying to Hack his Details so I can e -mail him an offer to get a million dollars by sending me a fifty dollar bequest - release - fee.
There isn't anything that does not require faith to believe.
Nothing is infallible... so, you always need faith in the veracity of the data/info it is based upon.
All you have is faith...you need to get hip to that.
Those who have got wise to such oafishly obvious telegraphing of the equivocation plus 'either/or' fallacy will smile quietly to themselves before moving on to a post worth reading.
Those who have got wise to such oafishly obvious telegraphing of the equivocation plus 'either/or' fallacy will smile quietly to themselves before moving on to a post worth reading.
youre denomination relies on this trick. lmao, and you overtly say you don't. Reminds me of others that preach one thing while preaching "yeah, but we are saving them."
"ban religion, shun all science that doesn't support our denomination of atheism, and we shall save them, save them all ... think of the children for no-christ sake!!!!". lmao. you have divine insight.
too funny. Your denomination smiles and moves on because you know, like fundy theist, when the data is openly and honestly discussed, your denomination's base faith statement crumbles. lmao, youre so different and the rest of us will pay for you to prove it to yourself. lmao, yes pastor trans, forgive us for we have sinned.
Those who have got wise to such oafishly obvious telegraphing of the equivocation plus 'either/or' fallacy will smile quietly to themselves before moving on to a post worth reading.
You read it...and commented.
BUT...you have faith that others will be more wise and not do that...just smile and move on.
I have faith you will continue to be compelled.
All "knowledge" has a faith component to it...since nothing is infallible. We must have faith in the accuracy of the info/data our "facts" are based upon. Because, you can never be 100% sure about anything.
"Faith"... the underlying reason that we believe anything is so.
05-27-2018, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
All "knowledge" has a faith component to it...since nothing is infallible.
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"Faith"... the underlying reason that we believe anything is so.
These two do not go necessarily go together.
The underlying reason, if faith is just a component, depending on how small that component is, does NOT have to be the underlying reason.
If the data if vetted and repeated and understood with high confidence beyond just chance it is not mere faith. There has to be a line drawn somewhere on this spectrum or all things beyond these ideas are meaningless with regard to these words. The data as such is far more reliable than just trusting an ancient voice to say that some extraordinary event or thing exists or happened. If you can't see the difference then that is quit sad and maybe a problem you should work on. No one is arguing that we can know all things or even most things 100%. The fact that we can not does not mean that all things are faith based according to how we use these terms and ideas.
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But don't fall into the "Authority - figure" beartrap. Newton was a genius at physics, but he believed in Astrology, Alchemy and Daniel -prophecy. 
you have divine insight.
