Faith is believing something that you know isnt true. (atheism, agnostic, exist)

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

And had hundreds of witnesses.

Who did not then recognize him but then thought they did. According to the gospels, anyway. And if they are fiction, so are the witness accounts.

And then there was Paul who said people only had visions of Jesus.

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Did I say anything that would lead you to believe I meant that?

, I forgot the winking icon.

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

Who did not then recognize him but then thought they did. According to the gospels, anyway. And if they are fiction, so are the witness accounts.

And then there was Paul who said people only had visions of Jesus.

Scripture, please.

After that, he was seen by more than 500 of his followers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died. 1 Cor. 15:6

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

Who did not then recognize him but then thought they did. According to the gospels, anyway. And if they are fiction, so are the witness accounts.

And then there was Paul who said people only had visions of Jesus.

Do you mean in the garden? Do you realize the text says it was because it was hidden from them? God planned it that way.

[TRANSPONDER]

Originally Posted by rstevens62

Ive always thought it kind of weird that people today are expected to just have faith, just believe its all true, but when Jesus walked the earth, even the disciples, and followers close to him, demanded and required proof...numerous times too.

Why werent they required to 'just have faith and believe its true'?

I recall a time when a disciple or apostle asked Jesus to do some kind of miracle, and Jesus makes a comment about 'them having so little faith', but he went ahead and did the miracle for them anyway...??

The way it works is like this:
"What sort of proof would convince you?"

"Well, some miracles, raising the dead, turning water into wine.."

"Jesus did all that."

"Yes but I didn't see it."

"You don't need to. They saw it."

"Said they did."

"Well, you should take their word for it."

"Why?"

"Why not?"

"Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

"You have it."

"I don't. I only have a claim of miracles. I can't verify that."

"Well what would convince you...finding a ballpoint pen you lost? Tripping over a crack in the pavement and not breaking your neck?"

"Something a bit more convincing...I have a bottle of water on my desk...."

"You won't convert even if it does turn into wine."

"I swear I will convert to Christianity immediately."

"Well...God isn't going to do that!"

"Why not? What makes you so sure he won't?"

"Well, because everyone knows..."

"Go on, say it.."

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Did I say anything that would lead you to believe I meant that?

So, let's take the last year -- May 2017 to May 2018.

Please tell us the confirmed miracles that have happened in the last year.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

So, let's take the last year -- May 2017 to May 2018.

Please tell us the confirmed miracles that have happened in the last year.

Well first tell how you would confirm a miracle. Go ahead.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

Well first tell how you would confirm a miracle. Go ahead.

Pick any Biblical miracle you wish, have it occur in the present day, have video of it that has not been doctored.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Pick any Biblical miracle you wish, have it occur in the present day, have video of it that has not been doctored.

And how can you prove that it wasn't doctored?

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

And how can you prove that it wasn't doctored?

Doctored video can be detected.

But, okay, you seem to be indicating the miracles can never be proven...therefore as far as I'm concerned, they don't exist.

It just makes it sound that people like you are desperate to believe in something. What is lacking in your life?