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Based on what these posters are saying I guess Mrs5150, nearly all our Christian friends and myself don’t operate in faith. Gotta love the Holy Spirit! There is plenty of evidence, but the skeptic always finds a way to “explain” away or deny the spiritual.
Above is an artists depiction of a cyclops. In ancient times this race of one eyed giants was widely considered to be fully real and extent. Why? Because of the assumed physical evidence.
Above is what seems to be physical evidence of the existence of the cyclops. An actual cyclops skull. If you happen to be ignorant and superstitious. Because what it actually is, is an elephant skull. The central "eye socket" is actually the attachment point for the trunk. But for people who are ignorant and superstitious, the elephant skull represents "evidence" for the truth of their imaginary make believe. In other words, the things they have imagined in their minds. But those darned "skeptics" always insist on a well considered and educated view of the evidence. Close inspection, and a bit of skepticism, not to mention a bit of education and knowledge, very often tends to play havoc with ignorant imaginary make believe. Like believing that the Earth is the center of the universe, and is only about 6,000 to 10,000 years old. Or that dinosaur fossils are bogus, and dinosaurs never existed, because such claims tend contradict their ignorant imaginary make believe. And ignorant people so dearly love their imaginary make believe. https://www.facebook.com/ChristiansAgainstDinosaurs/ https://www.christiansagainstdinosaurs.com/
Last edited by Tired of the Nonsense; 05-25-2018 at 01:06 PM..
Providing evidence that something does not exist has always been a tough one. It's known as proving a negative. Proving that something actually exists is easy. Simply provide the object in question. Proving that something does not exist requires deductive reasoning based on accumulated empirical evidence. For example:
In 1994 a tornado hit the Goshen Alabama Methodist Church during Sunday service, causing the walls of the church to collapse. Twenty people died including six children. Why would God allow the deaths of those in His own house of worship, including the most innocent, who were there in the very act of worshiping him, when all He had to do was to prevent the walls from collapsing? The problem is that when put to the test, make believe is invariably unaffected by the harsh realities of real life. If a wall falls on you make believe does not serve as protection. Even for innocent children.
The point is, in real life what we actually observe is that when the chips are down and faith is confronted by reality, reality will ALWAYS win out. When the chips are down and a Supreme Being would really REALLY come in handy, God, invisible unknowable but assumed to exist anyway God, will invariably act in exactly the same manner as a God who isn't actually there. In fact a God who refuses to act even in the face of the ultimate crisis of life and death for the most innocent of His followers is a God who corresponds in every way to A GOD WHO NEVER EXISTED TO BEGIN WITH! What exactly is the difference? This is as close to an empirical test for the actual existence of God as one might reasonably hope for. And in these sorts of make or break tests, the result for the question "does God exist," invariably corresponds in every way to a negative finding. http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/03/us...ith-holds.html
When the Tower of Siloam fell killing 18 people they were just there at the wrong time - Luke 13:4-5.
Time and un-expected chance events happen to everyone as Solomon noted at Ecclesiastes 9:11.
Above is an artists depiction of a cyclops. In ancient times this race of one eyed giants was widely considered to be fully real and extent. Why? Because of the assumed physical evidence.
Above is what seems to be physical evidence of the existence of the cyclops. An actual cyclops skull. If you happen to be ignorant and superstitious. Because what it actually is, is an elephant skull. The central "eye socket" is actually the attachment point for the trunk. But for people who are ignorant and superstitious, the elephant skull represents "evidence" for the truth of their imaginary make believe. In other words, the things they have imagined in their minds. But those darned "skeptics" always insist on a well considered and educated view of the evidence. Close inspection, and a bit of skepticism, not to mention a bit of education and knowledge, very often tends to play havoc with ignorant imaginary make believe. Like believing that the Earth is the center of the universe, and is only about 6,000 to 10,000 years old. Or that dinosaur fossils are bogus, and dinosaurs never existed, because such claims tend contradict their ignorant imaginary make believe. And ignorant people so dearly love their imaginary make believe. https://www.facebook.com/ChristiansAgainstDinosaurs/ https://www.christiansagainstdinosaurs.com/
When the Tower of Siloam fell killing 18 people they were just there at the wrong time - Luke 13:4-5.
Time and un-expected chance events happen to everyone as Solomon noted at Ecclesiastes 9:11.
We didn't need Luke to tell us that stuff happens. We need someone to tell us that this is what seems to be going on all the time and that no god seems to be in charge. But we won't get that from Luke.
Even if isnt a sin to steal or murder in some gods opinion, avoiding these things is still good for a society, it benefits everyone to some degree to live in a world where most people fear some kind of punishment for doing wrong or immoral actions.
What would society look like if we didnt have the bible, the 10 commandments? Would laws against stealing, killing, etc still be that important, or would the world be a brutal, 'mad max' kind of world, where everyone is out for themselves, no laws, etc!?
Say, you are driving in a small and very lonely street at 2:00 AM.
There looks to be no other car on the road.
And you come to a stop sign.
Most likely, you WILL make a stop.
Why?
Because you know that if a cop is hiding and monitoring you, you WILL get a ticket for not stopping.
Or if an accident happens because you didn't make a stop, they WILL go after your insurance, and perhaps sue you too.
So respect of law, is there. And many people take pride in abiding by it.
But fear DOES play a role. That's human nature!
If there is no fear of traffic ticket and no fear of hitting another car or a person with no consequences, many people will NOT make a stop at that traffic sign even in midday rush hour.
Why third world countries are third world countries? Corruption and weak enforcement of law. No fear.
Last edited by GoCardinals; 05-26-2018 at 02:04 AM..
Good point. In fact that is not the reason for the stop -sign, but Fear, as you put it, has to be made the reason to respect the law, because people do not think about the society they live in and the ethical rules that maintain it. They think Instinctively (selfishly), and not socially and ethically.
As you mature you might begin to discover what Jesus actually did. You can erase all the magic tricks (which I don't believe occurred snyway) and he's no less profound.
....if you know what he actually did.
What was the situation back then and what profound change Jesus caused.
As you mature you might stop believing in fairy tales from 2000 years ago. Who knows?
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