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"a false dichotomy tries to force a conclusion by offering an incomplete list of alternatives. Typically only two options are considered, while in fact a number of additional options are available. When someone reasons from an either-or position and hasn't considered all relevant possibilities it is a failure of reasoning, a false dichotomy."
Facts vs what are not facts then...
Better?!?
What a great amount of effort on the part of a choice few to pick away at the edges rather than admit to the overall truth about what I am simply trying to explain here. The truth about what are facts, universal truths and what are not.
Clearly this trend continues, though I'm sure there will be those who will quite quickly declare this another "selective" choice of facts that is not really fact. Of course we all know how this goes by now, but for all of us to judge as we always do.
Meanwhile, I have a name for this trend that I mention in one of my Ten Truths. I wonder if anyone can make that connection and/or agree with me about this too.
Or disagree with me! Of course I'm entirely okay and used to that by now! Where would this discussion otherwise be if not for the deniers?
What a great amount of effort on the part of a choice few to pick away at the edges rather than admit to the overall truth about what I am simply trying to explain here. The truth about what are facts, universal truths and what are not.
Truly amazing to me...
Pick away the edges?
What is rational and logical?
I say a man should love his enemies, and when he catches a thief stealing a ten spot from his britched, he should forgive the thief, and even offer him more.
The logic and reason of a believer is that it makes perfect sense to study Torah night and day.
The reason and sensibility is to sacrifice one's self for the needs of others and to love and pray for one's enemy.
Love.
It dont make no sense.
Giving oneself to the study of God's Torah doesnt make logic or reason, a person commits his whole life believing and trusting in the word of God.
It doesnt make sense to the outsider, especially an unbeliever.
Your lack of objectivity is revealed by your choice of alternatives - facts versus falsehoods - instead of accurate versus inaccurate or correctly understood or incorrectly understood or interpreted reasonably or misinterpreted, etc., etc. Falsehoods unnecessarily imply dishonest intent instead of just ignorance, or the wrong context, or tradition and cultural conditioning, etc., etc. I understand that you interpret these distinctions from your belief that science is the only accurate method of discerning what you call truth. It is that belief that CB calls scientism.
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I believe we are better able to distinguish facts from falsehoods than you want to admit or recognize however. Or facts versus untruths. Objectively speaking. That's all.
Either way, there is what is the truth and there is what is not. This is the important distinction most important to make clear when it comes to so many of these competing notions or claims of truth that can't be justified a such.
It is your belief that science is the arbiter of what is truth and what is not that CB calls your scientism, and you as much as admit it yourself. You just do not think it is questionable or debatable.
It is your belief that science is the arbiter of what is truth and what is not that CB calls your scientism, and you as much as admit it yourself. You just do not think it is questionable or debatable.
i think LearnMe is quite ok with Scientism unlike Harry who has a fit every time it is mentioned. in fact LM quite happily wears that label.
i think LearnMe is quite ok with Scientism unlike Harry who has a fit every time it is mentioned. in fact LM quite happily wears that label.
Lol, no. It is just another opportunity of pointing out (sorry, having a fit ) the need for the snake oil salespeople to dishonestly attack others instead of providing rational arguments for their beliefs. It is not the term, it is any dishonest attack. 'Scientism' is just the favorite at the moment.
Facts vs what are not facts then...Better?!?What a great amount of effort on the part of a choice few to pick away at the edges rather than admit to the overall truth about what I am simply trying to explain here. The truth about what are facts, universal truths and what are not. Truly amazing to me...
if someone uses and continues to use false dichotomy, and can not see the problem in using false dichotomy ["doesn't matter" "just being picky"], then they do not arrive at "the truth." Because it is false reasoning. A false dichotomy is false reasoning. And false reasoning produces false conclusions.
if someone uses and continues to use false dichotomy, and can not see the problem in using false dichotomy ["doesn't matter" "just being picky"], then they do not arrive at "the truth." Because it is false reasoning. A false dichotomy is false reasoning. And false reasoning produces false conclusions.
I say a man should love his enemies, and when he catches a thief stealing a ten spot from his britched, he should forgive the thief, and even offer him more.
The logic and reason of a believer is that it makes perfect sense to study Torah night and day.
The reason and sensibility is to sacrifice one's self for the needs of others and to love and pray for one's enemy.
Love.
It dont make no sense.
Giving oneself to the study of God's Torah doesnt make logic or reason, a person commits his whole life believing and trusting in the word of God.
It doesnt make sense to the outsider, especially an unbeliever.
Let's put it this way...
I won't quibble over your choice of words when it comes to explaining the essence of what you believe to be true. Also needless to say, "what makes perfect sense" to one person does not necessarily make sense to the next person. For all variety of obvious reasons. This truth is what leads to discussions like these, where people can either focus on what's most important and decide what is true or not far as they are concerned, and why, or quibble about petty details.
It is your belief that science is the arbiter of what is truth and what is not that CB calls your scientism, and you as much as admit it yourself. You just do not think it is questionable or debatable.
This is another laughable statement much like many CB likes to issue, and I have no hesitation to call them falsehoods, because that's exactly what they are!
Science is not questionable or debatable? I'm not going to correct this sort of nonsense yet again...
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) the need for the snake oil salespeople to dishonestly attack others instead of providing rational arguments for their beliefs. It is not the term, it is any dishonest attack. 'Scientism' is just the favorite at the moment.
