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I don't think that Tzap. does 'Upset'; she merely disagrees.
There are those who can disagree without getting upset, emotional. Then there are those who can't. Not sure which is the case here, but no doubt some people have a very low tolerance for comments contrary to their way of thinking and/or outside their comfort bandwidth.
Yes. That is why I don't support removing the belief in a higher power and perhaps some aspects of a religion. It can be used to help cope with situations that are out of our control. I don't rely on it though but that doesn't make me better. It is just my personality.
Support removing the belief in a higher power?
No such thing is possible. All we can really do as a people is "compare notes" with respect to what is truth vs fiction, reality vs delusion, our differences, and then watch who seems more inclined one way or the other. Who will tend to believe in what with or without the support of facts, reason or logic. Do so in a mature realistic manner, and over the long haul we move from less ignorance about such things to more knowledge and truth.
Speaking of music, art, talent and/or back to the topic of this thread, creative expression would have been another good option to choose from in terms of what most defines us as a person. No doubt that's what some of these better known artists are known for and it seems most would readily explain their talent or artistic expression is what defines who they are most of all.
Well, with Elyn and I get from Phet's post, tto, that is clearly not what they are arguing. Artistic creativity (apart from merely copying what is demonstrably real) is not the same as believing what you imagine to be real, when it demonstrably isn't. Either you can't understand what they are saying or you prefer not to. And so you misrepresent their argument either through failure to understand it or deliberately. Which is it? I know which it is, but do you?
phet is very clear and consistent in his posts. he admits to mockingthose who converse with God and angels, and he goes on to further justify, condone, and defend the behavior of mocking, In addition he claims flat out that "normal people" "just feel sorry for their delusions."
it is established that phet is not a medical professional, and is ignorant of (lacking knowledge and information) what delusions are. He is also severely out of touch with what "normal people" do. Because the norm in the world population is 84% identify with religion. In addition he is saying "normal people" "feel sorry for" those who talk to God and angels. Again, totally out of touch with reality. For instance Lorna Byrne is an Irish woman whose books are international best sellers, selling millions of copies, translated into 30 languages, and sold in 50 countries. So no, normal people aren't "feeling sorry" for her "delusions." They are queuing up for her books which describe her interactions with angels on a daily basis since she was a child. That is not pity. That is applause.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
And there's a reason they're mocked, although more often than not, my experience has been that normal people just feel sorry for their delusions.
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Rather than Other, of the choices I find Political position defines me and also how I perceive people I meet.
Being a liberal, progressive, Democrat checks off a lot of things I value. I would look judge a conservative Republican (of any color/ethnicity) as someone I could never really engage with at a deep level.
I guess my deeply held values and the company I keep defines 65% of me.
Rather than Other, of the choices I find Political position defines me and also how I perceive people I meet.
Being a liberal, progressive, Democrat checks off a lot of things I value. I would look judge a conservative Republican (of any color/ethnicity) as someone I could never really engage with at a deep level.
I guess my deeply held values and the company I keep defines 65% of me.
I'd say politics defines me in much the same way, but I'm not sure how much it truly impacts the way I live my life. Sure would be higher up on my list than religion, however, and I suppose it's really in that manner of ranking we might get a better sense of what ultimately tends to define who we are and how we live our life.
No doubt it's a combination of a great many things, but there are the primary influences above others. We can probably all pick which ones apply most to us above the others. Occurred to me after the fact that military service would be another option worth listing, since I've met many people who seem to be all about their service in the military. To which I thank for their service!
I see I may have misunderstood your comment about what you were doing "while also trying to keep a foot in the R/S forum." I thought you were fearful of getting bounced or censored or something like that, and it's that sort of fear I see as awfully sad generally speaking, when instead we could perhaps simply share our thoughts in a mature civil manner without such concerns. Sorry for the confusion. My bad in that case...
I see I may have misunderstood your comment about what you were doing "while also trying to keep a foot in the R/S forum." I thought you were fearful of getting bounced or censored or something like that, and it's that sort of fear I see as awfully sad generally speaking, when instead we could perhaps simply share our thoughts in a mature civil manner without such concerns. Sorry for the confusion. My bad in that case...
I want to be respectful to the forum requirements. I'm not always successful but I try to be.
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