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No, as this perception does not exist. You are referring to the ability to believe in many different gods, which is different to actually perceiving something, as is seen by the fact that most people 'perceive' a god that created your alleged god. The god most people believe in (Yahweh) is mutually exclusive to what you label a god.
It's ALL God. Anything and everything is just One Thing...and it's God. Humans have developed many representative entities...but it's all God.
Again...you are like a blind man telling the sighted that vision does not exist, and they only "believe" they can see. And you base this upon the fact that you lack visual ability yourself...so you think that the ability to perceive things through sight does not exist, and that all the normal sighted people are "making it up".
It is most unfortunate that you lack the common/normal perceptive ability possessed by the vast majority...I will pray for you.
Yet most people 'perceive' Yahweh, while you do not.
Oh yes ..I do. I perceive Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah/Etc as the beautiful representative entities of The Oneness (Reality) that is God. It's all God.
You can put any "name" to God that you'd like. God by any name, was, is, and always will be, The Divine.
Once you get hip to that, you will come to greater understanding.
When there is NO evidence scientifically or otherwise, it is NOT a belief, it is a FACT.
LOL really? I think there are a lot of posters here that 'believe' you are dishonest in what you are saying. Or are very confident in their assessment that you are wishy-washy and combative.
No it is not subjective, an opinion or a personal view; a fact is a fact. The fact is that you have no evidence for your claims. Stop talking in circles. Like I said the burden of proof falls on you.
Your last ridiculous statement is not even worth a response.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Is it possible evidence may be discovered in the future?
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Originally Posted by Northsouth
Of course, we are still learning about our world and universe and anything presented as tangible, undeniable evidence will always be taken under consideration. Science doesn't discriminate.
If that’s the case, can you really say it’s a FACT?
No, as this perception does not exist. You are referring to the ability to believe in many different gods, which is different to actually perceiving something, as is seen by the fact that most people 'perceive' a god that created your alleged god. The god most people believe in (Yahweh) is mutually exclusive to what you label a god.
what is labelled a "fact" above, is not a fact.
it is a personal view, a subjective opinion. it is your belief. it is what you believe.
another example of not knowing what a fact is. a demonstrated inability to differentiate between fact and opinion, between fact and personal view.
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ergo subjective. it is your belief what the word evidence means.
= personal view, subjective opinion.
evidence varies (and is subjective)
definitions of what is evidence also vary (and are subjective)
and beliefs about what is evidence vary (and are subjective)
Yes, definitions vary, but a fact is not subjective. In your woo-ness you have a weakness discerning that some things are factual, while others are not factual.
Right now it's 83.5 degrees on my calibrated weather station in my back yard. I can look at other facts in our area right now -- cloud cover, other networked weather stations in my immediate area, weather maps, etc. I can see those facts. And THEN, I can interpret those facts. It's interpretation that varies, not the facts.
Works the same with spiritual things. I had a day long even in Lopburi, Thailand. Visited something like 8 temples, a summer palace, and several other historic sites...without a map, without signs (they were in Thai), without asking directions...all in a city of 60,000. Those are facts. I interpret it as evidence of a past life there. Others who have heard my story interpret it differently. Can't say who is right...but the facts didn't change.
Evidence has a degree of factuality to it. A fingerprint on a gun or knife is just that -- a fact. Apprehending a suspect who has that gun or knife on him is a fact. Then the interpretations of those and other facts begin. But the facts do not change. A witness report is -- like my day in Lopburi -- not a fact. The witness tells what he sees, and interpretation sneaks in. While a security video provides facts.
You clearly have trouble determining the difference between fact and interpretation, and you always assume that your interpretation is the only correct interpretation.
Yet most people 'perceive' Yahweh, while you do not.
Yes. And as you and I and others keep trying to point out, he is another poster who is confusing fact and interpretation, and he's egotistical enough to assume that only his interpretation is the correct interpretation, and is therefore fact. It's a good example of very limited thinking.
Yes, definitions vary, but a fact is not subjective. In your woo-ness you have a weakness discerning that some things are factual, while others are not factual. Right now it's 83.5 degrees on my calibrated weather station in my back yard. I can look at other facts in our area right now -- cloud cover, other networked weather stations in my immediate area, weather maps, etc. I can see those facts. And THEN, I can interpret those facts. It's interpretation that varies, not the facts. Works the same with spiritual things. I had a day long even in Lopburi, Thailand. Visited something like 8 temples, a summer palace, and several other historic sites...without a map, without signs (they were in Thai), without asking directions...all in a city of 60,000. Those are facts. I interpret it as evidence of a past life there. Others who have heard my story interpret it differently. Can't say who is right...but the facts didn't change. Evidence has a degree of factuality to it. A fingerprint on a gun or knife is just that -- a fact. Apprehending a suspect who has that gun or knife on him is a fact. Then the interpretations of those and other facts begin. But the facts do not change. A witness report is -- like my day in Lopburi -- not a fact. The witness tells what he sees, and interpretation sneaks in. While a security video provides facts. You clearly have trouble determining the difference between fact and interpretation, and you always assume that your interpretation is the only correct interpretation.
bold above, exactly.
Harry (for example) labels things in his posts as "fact" which are NOT fact. but which are his subjective personal views, his interpretation, his conclusions, his subjective opinions. They are not fact. This demonstrates that he does not know how to use the word fact, and is unable to differentiate between facts, and opinion, interpretation, personal views, subjective beliefs.
I would like to ask any atheists interested in responding, how they differentiate between facts and their beliefs, between facts and their own personal subjective opinions. Because I notice on CD how common it is in posts for people to call something a fact, when it is not a fact, but is instead their subjective opinion, their personal view, their belief.
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