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Old 07-20-2009, 07:35 PM
 
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What about women's rights? Christianity has always been a leader in women's rights. As for homosexuality, it's always condemned it.
A perfect example of the Bible, lies and contradictions!
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:40 PM
 
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What about women's rights? Christianity has always been a leader in women's rights. As for homosexuality, it's always condemned it.
The first part of this comment us absolutely laughable and so far off base I can't even fathom the thought that must have produced the comment. Churches as far as any I've known have always taught women to be subject to the rule of the man of the house.

In many denominations they cannot be ministers or serve on the church board etc... They are however always allowed to serve the food at the church potluck.

Churches (at least the great majority of them) have been for the status quo for centuries...against change in the social order which means women must submit to the guys.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:44 PM
 
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The first part of this comment us absolutely laughable and so far off base I can't even fathom the thought that must have produced the comment. Churches as far as any I've known have always taught women to be subject to the rule of the man of the house.

In many denominations they cannot be ministers or serve on the church board etc... They are however always allowed to serve the food at the church potluck.

Churches (at least the great majority of them) have been for the status quo for centuries...against change in the social order which means women must submit to the guys.
Your problem is that you seem to think value = role.

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Old 07-20-2009, 07:44 PM
 
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The first part of this comment us absolutely laughable and so far off base I can't even fathom the thought that must have produced the comment. Churches as far as any I've known have always taught women to be subject to the rule of the man of the house.

In many denominations they cannot be ministers or serve on the church board etc... They are however always allowed to serve the food at the church potluck.

Churches (at least the great majority of them) have been for the status quo for centuries...against change in the social order which means women must submit to the guys.
So right. Women can bake brownies, make coffee, and bring their purses full of money!
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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I guess I should start a thread on this, but I will join in on the hijack for a moment.

That is the thing about the christian church, it made a concerted effort to undercut/sabotage the matriarchal culture that preceded it.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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(Just a minute, I am getting my asbestos suit on and waiting for the flames...)

Here is how it was explained to me:
In God's eyes, it really doesn't matter whether one is slave or free. This life is only a preparation for the next. You are supposed to "bloom where you are planted", and glorify God in whatever circumstance befalls you.

Whether you are a slave or a King is meaningless to God, he only cares about how you handle yourself in the situation.

(Not saying I agree with this - or other ways that people think they know the mind of God.)
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:00 PM
 
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So right. Women can bake brownies, make coffee, and bring their purses full of money!
Nope.

There are a lot of roles for women in the church besides baking brownies and making coffee--just not as a pastor.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:35 PM
 
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There are a lot of roles for women in the church ... just not as a pastor.
And THAT makes the church a leader in women's rights?!?!?

That is an amazingly inane thread of a thought.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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Nope.

There are a lot of roles for women in the church besides baking brownies and making coffee--just not as a pastor.
Oh yeah, I forgot. A woman can also clean the church!
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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I think you often fail...Who fought tooth and nail to retain slavery in the US often using the bible to justify it? Christians.....Then once that was abolished who fought to retain segregation?.....Christians.
A good deal of "scientific racism" played a role in anti-miscegenation and segregation rules. Some "scientific racists" were active Christians, but many were not.

Lothrop Stoddard was a Unitarian, but even then that was a pretty unorthodox form of Christianity. I'm not sure Madison Grant had a religion at all. In the 1960s Revilo P. Oliver was a noted white nationalist who disdained religion.

In 1962 Leander Perez was excommunicated from the Catholic Church for his opposition to the Archbishop's plan of racially integrating Louisiana's parochial schools.
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