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Since most of you are non-believers in things spiritual, why are you posting in the Religion and Philosophy section? It's illogical. I believe you come only to demean those who do believe. If you want only scientifically proveable responses, basic on man-invented empirical reasoning and human logic, go to the appropriate secular human forum.
Since most of you are non-believers in things spiritual, why are you posting in the Religion and Philosophy section? It's illogical. I believe you come only to demean those who do believe. If you want only scientifically proveable responses, basic on man-invented empirical reasoning and human logic, go to the appropriate secular human forum.
They are posting here because their views ARE related to philosophy. Just because some people might not believe in spiritual things, doesn't mean they don't have philosophical views. Philosophy can be from a spiritual point of view, or it can be from a secular point of view. The thread is in response to the question: Did life really begin on earth? Some people use scriptural references to support their views. Others use scientific references.
While there are posters who have clearly stated they believe all religion is nothing more than mythology, how can you state that MOST are non-believers in things spiritual? You'd have to be a mind reader to be able to make that kind of conclusion. You can't actually know exactly what goes on in a person's mind, even from what may be expressed, because expression doesn't represent the totality of a person's mind. Words alone are only a tiny, sometimes inadequate, fragment of a person's perception.
What if someone said everything you see around you is only an illusion and doesn't really exist because there's a greater reality, a matrix, that's hidden beyond the view of your perception? There are reasons that actually support that view, although personally I don't necessarily agree with them. Such reasons can be found, not only in science, but also in scriptural references as well. Wouldn't you want some kind of convincing evidences that show such a view is valid?
The same thing applies to the question of how life began on the Earth. It's not really a question that must be either scientific or spiritual. It's also philosophical. It's not always a simple matter of making a statement that easily explains everything. References are used to support such statements. Is it okay to use scriptural references to help illustrate and support such claims, but not okay to use scientific references?
It's interesting that you seem to feel scientifically proveable responses are based only on "man-invented empirical reasoning and human logic" because the same thing also applies to spiritual responses. After all, spiritual belief is based the acceptance of something because of human reasoning and human logic. If spiritual matters didn't make sense to you, and you had no evidence that support it, would you believe it? Human logic and reasoning, no matter how flawed and inadequate they may be, do indeed play a very important part in what people believe, no matter what that belief is.
I find the repartee amusing and entertaining . . . but to address the OP . . . How could life on earth NOT have begun on earth? The larger question of Life itself as a phenomenon in the universe is moot. On the one hand it would be egotistical to think our minor planet in a remote arm of our galaxy is the ONLY repository of life in a universe of billions of such galaxies with uncountable such planets in remote arms, etc.
On the other hand, the predilection of science to promote its random, undirected, automatic "natural"(whatever that means) genesis of all life (abiogenesis) seems obsessively focused (if subconsciously) on an anti-religion campaign under the guise of "objective" science. Without any explanation for "Nature" and "natural" . . . other than it "just is" . . . they pretend this isn't an equally inscrutable "god" simply because they do not attribute any of the unfounded things religions tend to ascribe to their God. To say that life "just happened naturally" . . . is to ascribe the origin of life to the "Nature" God, period.
Bottom line: . . . the most recent scientific speculations seem to suggest that the universe as we perceive it (observe it) . . . cannot come into being in the absence of life (observers). I tend to agree that life is the entire purpose (and source) of what we perceive as the universe.
Theres alot of mumble jumble going on here !
1) To all the wonderful saints and probable martyrs, may I suggest that to "love" is
to need to comprehend all the more...this is what man and his noble scientists are engaged in ....loving and comming to know what is before us.
So....chill out and get real.....and hey, are you using your ...
com****r, phone, TV, car......then how do you "DECIDE" what science
you will put to use and what science you toss , rudely I might add.
Nightbazzar says" That one way to look at it. It's a matter of opportunity given the right conditions and right ingredients. You could have the right ingredients but the wrong conditions, or the right conditions but the wrong ingredients, either of which would fail to produce life."
This highlight in cause is being approached from the back door instead of the front door....to explain
Its "not" a matter of "right" ingredients...or incredible opportunity...
its , "wrong ingredients combined with disaster coincidence.
Life by its exsistance is illogical in that it must destroy life in order to maintaine it. THat is an illogical exsistance., and therefore can be regarded as not opportunity ect but intelligble mishap.. Now that we can..."see" there is hope that our reflective entity called life can reasonably evolve out of its stinkin animal like form
Our ego's are immportant but must be regulated just like a fat persons diet or a wealthy buisnessman's glutten greed
If in our hearts we desire the truth we will find it...if our hearts choose otherwise we will catch on to anything that flys our way, as long as it feels good..but people dont be fooled..the truth will set you free..if we choose to believe..
When did it become NASA's purpose to find life? It just seems that anymore their objective has shifted from exploration to the search for life.
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