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How fair is Christianity? A life long pedophile could change his life and start to live the righteous life, accepting Jesus Christ in his life and serving the lord giving him the possibility of the afterlife yet a Buddhist Monk could live his life not believing Jesus Christ at all and after death experience total annihilation or eternal hell. Pretty fair deal eh?
Its fair because it shows that we have a chance of redemption. That is totally fair.
There is are stances that are extreme, but for an atheist like me its about ... well, I don't know, I just arrange the meeting.
How fair is Christianity? A life long pedophile could change his life and start to live the righteous life, accepting Jesus Christ in his life and serving the lord giving him the possibility of the afterlife yet a Buddhist Monk could live his life not believing Jesus Christ at all and after death experience total annihilation or eternal hell. Pretty fair deal eh?
How fair is Christianity? A life long pedophile could change his life and start to live the righteous life, accepting Jesus Christ in his life and serving the lord giving him the possibility of the afterlife yet a Buddhist Monk could live his life not believing Jesus Christ at all and after death experience total annihilation or eternal hell. Pretty fair deal eh?
This is a response to the typical misunderstanding of religion that what is needed to be a Christian is to BELIEVE the specific things ABOUT Jesus and God in the dogma. That is NOT what is required. What is required is to "believe INTO" Jesus. That actually means to change your state of mind and think, feel, and act as closely to the way Jesus did in agape love of God and each other. It won't matter WHAT you were or believed if you do that.
How fair is Christianity? A life long pedophile could change his life and start to live the righteous life, accepting Jesus Christ in his life and serving the lord giving him the possibility of the afterlife yet a Buddhist Monk could live his life not believing Jesus Christ at all and after death experience total annihilation or eternal hell. Pretty fair deal eh?
Yes. That's right. That's the scandal of it. God saves not based on what we do, but based on faith. Your mistake is you seem to think a person can somehow be righteous without Jesus.
Its fair because it shows that we have a chance of redemption. That is totally fair.
After you die? What's the point?
And that presupposes the existence of an after-life and there is none.
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Originally Posted by mensaguy
If believers fought believers, the obvious conclusion is that religion was not the issue in the Civil War.
Religion could be the issue if it was a matter of interpretation.
The Orthodox interpretation is that there is no pope. The popes' interpretation is that Jesus told them there should be a pope.
That led to a couple of Crusades, numerous wars, a refusal by popes to use the Holy Roman Attack Dog to help Orthodox States free themselves from Ottoman occupation and the denigrating of Slavic peoples as Slaves.
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
I know it was Paul who said that. I don't need an out, nor am I stuck with anything.
Then you freely admit no one has anyone of knowing what the Jesus-thing said and what Paul or any other writer said.
Good.
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
And I'm not a fundamentalist so don't talk to me as if I were. Paul's statement about not permitting a woman to have authority over a man is based on his belief that the creation story, in which Adam was created first, and then Eve, and that it was the woman who sinned first, was historically true (1 Tim. 2:13-14). But it wasn't historically true. As for women teaching in the church, while Paul said that he didn't permit a woman to speak he also recognized that women did prophesy in church but that a woman's head should be covered when doing so (1 Cor. 11:5-6).
What I'm hearing is a lame attempt to justify Paul's actions.
If Paul was filled with the spirit of the Jesus-thing, then why didn't the Jesus-thing tell Paul to shut up?
Was the Jesus-thing afraid to tell Paul to shut up?
What kind of god-thing would be afraid?
Why didn't the Jesus-thing realize how wrong he was and tell Paul to do it right?
Or, the Jesus-thing was really dead and didn't fill Paul with anything.
Then you freely admit no one has anyone of knowing what the Jesus-thing said and what Paul or any other writer said.
Good.
What I'm hearing is a lame attempt to justify Paul's actions.
If Paul was filled with the spirit of the Jesus-thing, then why didn't the Jesus-thing tell Paul to shut up?
Was the Jesus-thing afraid to tell Paul to shut up?
What kind of god-thing would be afraid?
Why didn't the Jesus-thing realize how wrong he was and tell Paul to do it right?
Or, the Jesus-thing was really dead and didn't fill Paul with anything.
Mircea, Your prior posts excoriating unfairness in racism and such makes me wonder why you would engage in similar unfair and bigoted discussion tactics. Your use of Jesus-thing is no different than a redneck using "Boy" to refer to a mature black man. Shame on you.
This is a response to the typical misunderstanding of religion that what is needed to be a Christian is to BELIEVE the specific things ABOUT Jesus and God in the dogma. That is NOT what is required. What is required is to "believe INTO" Jesus. That actually means to change your state of mind and think, feel, and act as closely to the way Jesus did in agape love of God and each other. It won't matter WHAT you were or believed if you do that.
SO the pedophile could believe INTO Jesus and receive eternal life and the Buddhist Monk who doesn't believe INTO Jesus doesn't get the reward of eternal life. GOT IT!!
SO the pedophile could believe INTO Jesus and receive eternal life and the Buddhist Monk who doesn't believe INTO Jesus doesn't get the reward of eternal life. GOT IT!!
If you die. And you find out the monk could do no other thing but his soul wouldn't do that and sees it as wrong.
Yes, it wouldn't make eternal hell logical, rational, nor "fair."
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