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Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation. From the Hebrew it reads "Thou shalt not murder." But further than that, I think it really is beyond disgusting that people think they have the right to say that is or that person is doomed to hell because he or she killed himself or herself due to mental or other illness. That type of pontification by bystanders rooting from the benches is truly evil. They should hang their heads in shame.
OOOOK, let's see...you can sit there and say we have no right to say someone is doomed for hell (more or less that we are trying to "judge" them), yet YOU judge those that do not agree with YOUR philosophy and we/they "should hang their heads in shame"...hmmmmmm
As for the "mistranslation"...tell me, what's the difference between someone pointing a gun at someone else and pulling the trigger or them pointing it at themselves and pulling the trigger? Ok, as a whole one is malicious and intended to hurt/kill someone ELSE and one is intended to hurt/kill one's SELF! So are you saying that it is murder to "kill" someone else, but cannot be considered murder (at least in the eyes of God) to kill yourself?
So if someone is mentally ill and kills him or herself, that is not suicide? What is it then? Is there a new name for it? I mean, I could see saying that so and so died from mental illness which is actually more apt, but that is not how people use the term suicide. I hear "religious" people at work speak of depression as a weakness not an illness. It would seem to me to follow that if depression is not an illness but a weakness or lack of belief than all suicide is a sin and we are back to square one.
You have the right to say whatever you think and you are correct that I am making a "judgement" It just seems cruel to say this about someone who is/was in pain and to the family. Maybe I am kinder than you are. (I don't want to say more Christian.) There is a huge difference in the translation of that one word, in a legal, spiritual and moral context.
So if someone is mentally ill and kills him or herself, that is not suicide? What is it then? Is there a new name for it? I mean, I could see saying that so and so died from mental illness which is actually more apt, but that is not how people use the term suicide. I hear "religious" people at work speak of depression as a weakness not an illness. It would seem to me to follow that if depression is not an illness but a weakness or lack of belief than all suicide is a sin and we are back to square one.
yes it is suicide but it wasn't a willful act made by a sound mind therefore is forgiveable
Just like...let's say.... someone takes pain medicine they go to sleep and wake up an hour later but don't remember they took the meds so they take more
possibly they OD and die
Is that suicide
Technically yes
Nowhere in the Bible does God compartmentalize sin and reserve grace only for those who commit "acceptable" sins. If the person who committed suicide, at some time accepted Jesus death on the cross as payment for their sin and asked Him into their life, they are forgiven. But even though God's grace is sufficient and forgiveness is available in suicide, it should never be thought of as permission to follow through with the temptation to commit suicide. It is an act of rebellion against God and it does violate the Ten Commandments. But God is faithful to keep His Word, if a person has ever taken a step to receive Christ as Savior,nothing can alter the truth that has children of God we are forgiven. Does God forgive suicide, yes He does.
yes it is suicide but it wasn't a willful act made by a sound mind therefore is forgiveable
Just like...let's say.... someone takes pain medicine they go to sleep and wake up an hour later but don't remember they took the meds so they take more
possibly they OD and die
Is that suicide
Technically yes
WAS IT WILLFUL......NO
Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.
Webster, there is a big difference between killing intentionally/willingly and killing out of malicious intent and rebellion.
As for being "kinder" than me, if that's what you want to believe, go for it. I have nothing to prove to you and there are plenty of other people on here that know me better than that
I was always taught, and still truly believe, that suicide is the ONE sin that God cannot/will not forgive. Why you might ask? Because, as it is written "thall shalt not kill". What is suicide? It is a person KILLING himeself. If he kills himself, he can no longer confess his sins and ask God for forgiveness. Now, I suppose that MAYBE the person could talk (pray) to God and ask for forgiveness before he actually takes his life, and therefore I guess that would be between him and God thereafter...HOWEVER, if someone was really desperate enough to kill himself and if at the last minute he did decide to pray to God, I think God would give him a change of heart and show him that life can be GOOD! It's a matter of seeking God's Will...and I really do not believe that God WILLS ANYONE to kill themself!
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That is a good point. You can not ask for forgiveness once you are dead. Every one has alot of good points. I guess after reading all this What I am thinking is being a Christian as long as you believe Jesus died on the cross to save us for our sins and accept him in your heart you are going up. Now maybe the person that commited suicide did not accept him? Or maybe they did not know any better.
I just want to say I am in now way judging who goes and who does not I just try my best to know what the bible says and believe that.
I think people break commandments all the time and that does not mean they are going to hell.
I really like reading alll these replys they are very informative/helpful. I have alot to learn
That is a good point. You can not ask for forgiveness once you are dead. Every one has alot of good points. I guess after reading all this What I am thinking is being a Christian as long as you believe Jesus died on the cross to save us for our sins and accept him in your heart you are going up. Now maybe the person that commited suicide did not accept him? Or maybe they did not know any better.
I just want to say I am in now way judging who goes and who does not I just try my best to know what the bible says and believe that.
I think people break commandments all the time and that does not mean they are going to hell.
I really like reading alll these replys they are very informative/helpful. I have alot to learn
I think you are very intelligent. You've got the best idea, study the Bible and let God speak to your heart. And we ALL have a lot to learn!
I have never read anything in the Bible that says suicide will keep you out of heaven. Only not trusting (unbelief) in Jesus Christ do that. Now...did the person trust Jesus as his Savior? That is between him and God and none of us can judge that.
The Bible does not specifically address the issue of suicide. I agree with Fl TN Nana here. Gods know the heart. Any conclusions we might make about suicide are inferred from other scriptures.
I think the Truth lies in these Saints' responses below.
Bottom line: The decision regarding the judgement of each person, suicidal or other wise, is God's.
Great posts, ILNC, Nana, and Kaykay
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Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA
Nowhere in the Bible does God compartmentalize sin and reserve grace only for those who commit "acceptable" sins. If the person who committed suicide, at some time accepted Jesus death on the cross as payment for their sin and asked Him into their life, they are forgiven. But even though God's grace is sufficient and forgiveness is available in suicide, it should never be thought of as permission to follow through with the temptation to commit suicide. It is an act of rebellion against God and it does violate the Ten Commandments. But God is faithful to keep His Word, if a person has ever taken a step to receive Christ as Savior,nothing can alter the truth that has children of God we are forgiven. Does God forgive suicide, yes He does.
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Originally Posted by FL_TN_Nana
I have never read anything in the Bible that says suicide will keep you out of heaven. Only not trusting (unbelief) in Jesus Christ do that. Now...did the person trust Jesus as his Savior? That is between him and God and none of us can judge that.
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Originally Posted by kaykay
The Bible does not specifically address the issue of suicide. I agree with Fl TN Nana here. Gods know the heart. Any conclusions we might make about suicide are inferred from other scriptures.
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