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Old 11-25-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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The very existence of Fatwas is an abomination of barbaric religious ignorance. It reveals the impotence and absurdity of the so-called God in whose name it is issued. Any God that requires humans to enforce His laws is no God. Anything that is forced or acquired by threat is of no use to God since it has nothing to do with the real motivations and "state of mind" of the person being forced. The man-made interpretations of Yahweh (as described in the OT) and Allah (as described in the Quran) make them out to be egotistical evil monster Gods in the image of man. ONLY Jesus reveals the TRUE Nature of God.
Wow, jsut... wow.

The hypocracy and arrogance above is simply appalling.

How about the "man-made intirpritations of Christ in the NT"?

Doesn't qualify because it concerns your Christ?
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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I'm sorry, AC, there is a world of difference between women who have a chioce whether to be gawked at, and paid handsomly, or women who get stoned to death for things that hardly raises eyebrows in the west.

Culture? Sure, I would love to visit one of the oldest cultures in the world, as soon as the area is SAFE for 50 year old tattooed, earinged men with long hair, and more importantly, safe for my wife!
We're speaking of gawking? My favourite subject. Don't get me wrong, I just love the women, no matter how subjugated they are. I'm sorry if the cultured diamonds get offended

But we're speaking about a culture which the West does not understand and never will. And my only gripe is that people here Moderator cut: personal insulttry to thrust their view of freedom on those elsewhere. That, to me, is sheer GW arrogance of spreading freedom and democracy, though I like GW Moderator cut: inappropriate statement


There might be secretive harems and brothels in the middle east. But you can never find a mag like score or hustler sold in the stands in, say, Saudi. It will result in beheading. And that's simply how those people look at sexuality. The West has no right to shed crocodile tears over it.

If they still wanna sell those mags there, there are plenty of Saudi grasshoppers vacationing in the States, and they'd appreciate a one year's supply for 12.99 a month

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Old 11-26-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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We're speaking of gawking? My favourite subject. Don't get me wrong, I just love the women, no matter how subjugated they are. I'm sorry if the cultured diamonds get offended

But we're speaking about a culture which the West does not understand and never will. And my only gripe is that people here Moderator cut: personal insulttry to thrust their view of freedom on those elsewhere. That, to me, is sheer GW arrogance of spreading freedom and democracy, though I like GW Moderator cut: inappropriate statement


There might be secretive harems and brothels in the middle east. But you can never find a mag like score or hustler sold in the stands in, say, Saudi. It will result in beheading. And that's simply how those people look at sexuality. The West has no right to shed crocodile tears over it.

If they still wanna sell those mags there, there are plenty of Saudi grasshoppers vacationing in the States, and they'd appreciate a one year's supply for 12.99 a month
We are not speaking of culture. You posted a rather rediculious cartoon which attempted to compare the treatment of western woman to middle eastern women.

Women in the ME are treated like property, with little to no rights, and most importantly NO CHOICE on whether they want to be treated, for all intents and purposes, as chattel slaves.

If a women wishes to wear traditional clothing, more power to them. IF THEY HAVE A CHOICE.

They current oppression women face should never be celebrated as mere "culture".
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:01 AM
 
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Muslim extremists are indeed more noticable, but merely because of a clear reluctance of Christian controlled western media to report on the Christian extremists currently active at this moment.
Nonsense . . . just exactly what 9/11 type incidents have been perpetrated by Christians and not reported in the media?
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Old 11-27-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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Muslim extremists are indeed more noticable, but merely because of a clear reluctance of Christian controlled western media to report on the Christian extremists currently active at this moment.

Not all media outlets are Christian controlled and there was lots of coverage when Timothy Mcveigh blew up the building in Oklahoma and he wasn't a muslim. I believe that any act of terrorism like 9/11 would get coverage no matter who did it.

What I do see and I think it adds to the current islamophobia is lack of balance in reporting positives in the Muslim community. All we get in the media is when muslims commit violence, or the minority of Muslims who are happy about the violence. We don't see the people who do good things or the people who are devistated by the violence.
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Isn't that generally how the news media works? I rarely see anything you could call good news, at least not on tv news. They seem to lean very heavily towards the dark side of humanity...The results I see of this is fear and paranoia....Examples...exaggerating the swine flu and the bird flu pandemic they forecast....Too much doom and gloom for me, so I only watch local news on the tube now.
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:52 PM
 
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Nonsense . . . just exactly what 9/11 type incidents have been perpetrated by Christians and not reported in the media?
So volume matters how?

Army of God has committed at least 9 murders (and under suspicion for another), 17 attempted murders, nearly 400 death threats, over 150 assaults, 41 bombings and over 170 arsons, 91 attempts of same, 620 bomb threats, and countless fake anthrax mailing, among other "christian goodness". AoG is currently active.

But hey, they haven't flown planes into buildings, so AoG is A-OK in your book.

Psst, here's a secret...

The AoG is in our backyard, right here in the US, not on the other side of the world.

Over there, you'll find Christian terrorist groups like the National Liberation Front of Tripura, a bunch of Christians seeking to establish a Christian state in India, who use murder, killing, kidnap people to produce porn to fund there efforts, bombings, and other wholesome Christian'y stuff. They to are currently active, and listed as one of the top ten active terrorist groups in the worldm ranking right up there with such notables as Al Quida.

When's the last time you heard about them on the news? Hear about Musim-on-Muslim violence all the time, but nothing on the above, or the other many Christian terrorisim currently going on as we speak.

Religious fundamentalism is a grave danger, not just Muslim radicals. And while people are looking for "*********s" on their front stoops, thanks to mainstream media, that good ol' neighbor next door is putting together a molitov in the garage to go "visit" the local clinic.
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Old 11-27-2009, 05:04 PM
 
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Not all media outlets are Christian controlled and there was lots of coverage when Timothy Mcveigh blew up the building in Oklahoma and he wasn't a muslim. I believe that any act of terrorism like 9/11 would get coverage no matter who did it.

What I do see and I think it adds to the current islamophobia is lack of balance in reporting positives in the Muslim community. All we get in the media is when muslims commit violence, or the minority of Muslims who are happy about the violence. We don't see the people who do good things or the people who are devistated by the violence.
Strange, didn't see "Christian" at all in any of the media coverage of McViegh, must have missed it.

Had he been a muslim, on the other hand...

Please list the non-Christian media outlets currently and widely available in the US, sources one doesn't have to go looking for. And please keep in mind that those that might be owned by those of a Jewish persuation don't count, they see muslims as enemies as well.

As to the last of your reply, perfectly agree. Media is much more about selling papers and rely on sensationalism to do so. Man bites dog sells papers, man walks Elderly neighbor's dog doesn't even make it to the slow-news-day bin.
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:08 PM
 
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So volume matters how?
Well . . . not usually . . . but extremists that number in the hundreds and supported secretly by a small number of mainstream members does pale in comparison to the numbers of radical Muslims supported by millions of mainstream Muslims willing to demonstrate openly in the streets.
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Old 11-28-2009, 08:52 AM
 
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Strange, didn't see "Christian" at all in any of the media coverage of McViegh, must have missed it.

Had he been a muslim, on the other hand...

Please list the non-Christian media outlets currently and widely available in the US, sources one doesn't have to go looking for. And please keep in mind that those that might be owned by those of a Jewish persuation don't count, they see muslims as enemies as well.

As to the last of your reply, perfectly agree. Media is much more about selling papers and rely on sensationalism to do so. Man bites dog sells papers, man walks Elderly neighbor's dog doesn't even make it to the slow-news-day bin.
I didn't say he was a christian, but he wasn't a muslim. Thats the connection I was trying to say.

these are stations I watch

Public tv
Iba - Israel Broadcasting Authority
Aljazeera english
Bridges tv news
BBC
CNN
I also have always watch and like CBS, and ABC national news

The one station I would say is Christian is Fox News. Fox news programming is about as biased as you can get.

Fios, local cable companies have a wide range of non USA news outlets that give news from other points of views.
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