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I'm curious as to the best arguments supporting creationism. By creationism, I'm referring to the idea that a Creator created matter and species as is.
For example, people who believe in evolution have physical evidence such as species having similar skeleton structures, fossil evidence, geograpic distribution of similiar looking species, etc. What do people who believe creationism say to best support their argument?
God did not create creatures as they are today. He created their ancestors, the first life forms on this planet. (They existed between 6,000-7,000 years ago) We evolved to where we are today.
Yet unlike with common descent and the "tree of life", there were actually many trees of life with their own branches. All life on this earth are branches from those original sets of trees.
God did not create creatures as they are today. He created their ancestors, the first life forms on this planet. (They existed between 6,000-7,000 years ago) We evolved to where we are today.
So you don't believe the Bible.? well that's a start I suppose.
I'm curious as to the best arguments supporting creationism. By creationism, I'm referring to the idea that a Creator created matter and species as is.
What do people who believe creationism say to best support their argument?
If you're referring to the nonhistorical but spiritual story of Adam and Eve being the 1st couple, there is only evidence to point contrary. Some (like in Mormonism) like to teach that Adam & Eve were the 1st human beings who lived aproximately 4,000 BC, when we know that simply is false. Adam and Eve symbolically represent us, male and female, & our spiritual growth & progress.
Christianity is largely based on Greek mythology & Greek philosophy, especially that of Aristotle. Based on the idea that every action is preceded by a reaction, Aristotle called the Creator, the "Prime Mover" who could only be prime if He/She could produce change without changing Him/Herself... which can only be done via attraction. Some believe that the universe was created by many "intelligent energies" under the direction of a Supreme Being/Creator, through the natural desires of each.
We are considered the result of a star kind enough to explode. "Stars are held together intirely by their own gravitational field and generates energy by means of nuclear fusion reaction in its deep interior." The extreme of gravity/attraction is the black hole, "a region of space time from which matter & energy cannot escape; in origin, a star or galactic nucleus that has collapsed in on itself to the point where its escape velocity exceeds the speed of light." Much of the black hole is mysterious still, but we know that the universe & everything in it is permeatated by mostly dark energy/matter (If you were to magnify yourself enough times, you'd see space!)... Dark energy/matter is invisible but is known to be real by the influence it has on things like light. This reminds me of faith... "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." -Hebrews 11:1
Love is striving for what's best (according to our potential/choice) through trial and error (active faith).
So essentially, everything works through attraction - to continue surviving in its own energy. Attraction is love, which is God. -1John 4:8
God did not create creatures as they are today. He created their ancestors, the first life forms on this planet.
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(They existed between 6,000-7,000 years ago) We evolved to where we are today.
I always wanted to know how young earth folks explain the existence of cultures in China that date back 6,000 years BCE if the world is only 6,000 to 7,000 years ago. After all one would think that it would take quite sometime for the direct descendants of Adam and Eve to migrate some 4,000 miles (not to mention finding a way through the dense jungles and high mountains on the way) and set up habitable communities.
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Yet unlike with common descent and the "tree of life", there were actually many trees of life with their own branches. All life on this earth are branches from those original sets of trees.
That isn't implausible even under abiogenesis. It is just as possible for single cell life forms developing in different locations but under similar conditions.
Not to mention, ovcatto, those danged DNA lineage and genome maps we can and now do produce, that specifically show significant mutational adaptation and humane genome variaton at a rate that would require far more time than has evolved (small e) in a mere 6000 years. Not even possible if we were to give it 50,000 years. Nope. It took a few hundred thousand years. Here: read this for a good quick intro background!
This is all traceable, btw, via the quite stable mitochondrial DNA in women, and that unchanging extra chromosome in us males. Since those pass on largely unchanged except by specific direct mutation, their immutability over eons is a good trace for a particular family lineage over both time AND migratory passage/distance. So a family group of 18 daughters and 10 sons, all tracked as individuals so far, produced a good viable trace, even with some inevitable mutations.
And so thus did our ancestors ramble on out of Africa across the Asian plateau, into India and australia, and up into China, Japan and eventulaly across the Bering Sea Land Bridge. Into teh land of ice age mammoths, sloth bears and otehr wild old creatures, in whose bones we find carbon-dated spear staffs.
Adaptation is evolution. Take some fish from a bright sun soaked lake..take those fish and put them in an underground lake..wait a thousand years..and the fish who had eyes will have no eyes to speak off.
The problem with evolution and creation is that the argument continues because they are the same thing..The debate rages because both sides of the argument do not understand that God is timeless and we are fixated on time and measure time..The earth was created in six katrillion days...or just six - or six seconds - or six billion years- or six 24 hour usual days..Then on the seventh day GOD rested..Why would God need a rest? He is GOD - he does not get tired. This is a human insertion into scripture.
ONLY parts of GENESIS are accurate..most of it is man made filler. God creates light- which creates matter and energy...prior to that he was like a nothing floating in the void...and THEN it (*God) made a decision...to go from nothing to a something...
Lets make it simple and clear...GOD said "let there be light" bam! CREATION end of story...The scribes filled in the blanks with human terms and made it a long story...it took place in less than an instance. If we embraced this truth...there would be no story to tell- and we love to tell stories.
I always wanted to know how young earth folks explain the existence of cultures in China that date back 6,000 years BCE if the world is only 6,000 to 7,000 years ago. After all one would think that it would take quite sometime for the direct descendants of Adam and Eve to migrate some 4,000 miles (not to mention finding a way through the dense jungles and high mountains on the way) and set up habitable communities.
That's just it, these cultures are "dated" back to 6,000 years. Dating methods are based on rates. Are scientists absolutely positive those rates have been the same throughout "whatever their dating's" existence? There's nothing wrong with dating methods, but are the rates consistent?
That's just it, these cultures are "dated" back to 6,000 years. Dating methods are based on rates. Are scientists absolutely positive those rates have been the same throughout "whatever their dating's" existence? There's nothing wrong with dating methods, but are the rates consistent?
Yes, dating methods are consistent, and usually several methods are used on the object being dated to check for accuracy...Incidentally there were civilizations in the Americas that predate the creation account by several thousand years.
Yes, dating methods are consistent, and usually several methods are used on the object being dated to check for accuracy...Incidentally there were civilizations in the Americas that predate the creation account by several thousand years.
No, not dating methods, are the rates consistent that they are testing for. Have the elements within the things they are testing, always been seeping out at a constant rate?
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