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Old 11-26-2018, 08:06 AM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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ridiculous analogy.

First, you got some thing for your debt, I'm suspecting stupid crap that you were too impatient to work for and pay cash for.


Pensioners have gotten nothing for their money.
And I am suspecting that you don't know all the details of my finances.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Taxpayers bail out tons of crap. you want to get rid of some bodies pensions? start with the idiot in chief and then work your way down through every elected official in congress.

talk about better lifestyles. lol

Next most people with private pensions are not enabling them to live in "better communities". if they are living there it's because they brought into them before they retired. they saved, they sacrificed. most private pensions are not 100% salary replacement.

should tax payers have to pay for the myriad of stupid stuff the military waste money on??
Should we have to give huge tax breaks to multimillion dollar international companies.
Lol, lets start with making evangelical mega churches that do nothing start paying taxes.
So yeah, if we can use tax money for all that we can cover the poor slub who's losing their pension

So let me ask, what do you think happens if they lose their pensions?? Do you think they just say "oh well, c'est la vie"??
I would think they need that money to live on.

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Old 11-26-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NC Piedmont
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Taxpayers bail out tons of crap. you want to get rid of some bodies pensions? start with the idiot in chief and then work your way down through every elected official in congress.

talk about better lifestyles. lol

Next most people with private pensions are not enabling them to live in "better communities". if they are living there it's because they brought into them before they retired. they saved, they sacrificed. most private pensions are not 100% salary replacement.

should tax payers have to pay for the myriad of stupid stuff the military waste money on??
Should we have to give huge tax breaks to multimillion dollar international companies.
Lol, lets start with making evangelical mega churches that do nothing start paying taxes.
So yeah, if we can use tax money for all that we can cover the poor slub who's losing their pension

So let me ask, what do you think happens if they lose their pensions?? Do you think they just say "oh well, c'est la vie"??
I would think they need that money to live on.
Strongly agree. A lot of posters state or seem to imply that letting people live in the streets because their retirement plans didn't work out is fine. I don't.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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Taxpayers bail out tons of crap. you want to get rid of some bodies pensions? start with the idiot in chief and then work your way down through every elected official in congress.

talk about better lifestyles. lol

Next most people with private pensions are not enabling them to live in "better communities". if they are living there it's because they brought into them before they retired. they saved, they sacrificed. most private pensions are not 100% salary replacement.

should tax payers have to pay for the myriad of stupid stuff the military waste money on??
Should we have to give huge tax breaks to multimillion dollar international companies.
Lol, lets start with making evangelical mega churches that do nothing start paying taxes.
So yeah, if we can use tax money for all that we can cover the poor slub who's losing their pension

So let me ask, what do you think happens if they lose their pensions?? Do you think they just say "oh well, c'est la vie"??
I would think they need that money to live on.
So, privatize the profits, socialize the losses.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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Strongly agree. A lot of posters state or seem to imply that letting people live in the streets because their retirement plans didn't work out is fine. I don't.
No one's living in the streets. They have Social Security, Medicare, etc.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Central NY
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kmarc[/b];53730862]No one's living in the streets. They have Social Security, Medicare, etc.

Huh??? You must be living in la-la land.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Huh??? You must be living in la-la land.
No, just not in New York.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Central NY
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No, just not in New York.



I have lived in NY for most of my life. I'm 76. While there have been times when I thought I might have to find a bridge, that has not happened. Thank God.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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No one's living in the streets. They have Social Security, Medicare, etc.
you're correct, living under a bridge isn't exactly the streets.

now in the interest of full disclosure and to repeat your title. NO way in HELL!! would I accept my lifestyle being decimated through no fault of my own to an existence on social security. Now I recognize that many folks currently live in low cost of living areas and can survive on 24K a year.

Here in Philly it is not a life that anyone wants to have for their golden years. AND please remember they did not squander their money, etc etc. they did nothing but go to work for years, pay into their pension plans and do the right thing.

Oh yeah, by all means, yeah let's let them survive on social security.

not to mention the fact that many folks believe (not me) that social security will have to get it's act together. so all these people you are forcing to eke out an existence on social security what happens when that start to have cuts etc?

lol, talk about a case of "hey not my problem, let them starve".

Again, when we stop wasting money on the other stupidity and we start allowing our elected officials live off of social security and medicare, then come to me and say we NOW have a problem.

lastly you make it sound like these retirees are not tax paying citizens? so they are now probably getting doubly screwed.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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I have lived in NY for most of my life. I'm 76. While there have been times when I thought I might have to find a bridge, that has not happened. Thank God.
I think that is admirable and I mean that sincerely. Yes, there are older people who are "shelter insecure" despite Social Security and Medicare. But there are also older people who make it work despite reduced circumstances. They find supplemental programs, they double up in housing, or even triple up, and share expenses. But I realize that's not always ideal, either.
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