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Old 04-08-2023, 02:11 PM
 
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the question is which one is you ?

statistics mean little to us humans.

they mean a whole lot to insurance companies..but as humans it all amounts to , is it us or isn’t it us , that is on the bad side of a statistic.

my dad was five years , that’s all that matters

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Old 04-08-2023, 02:36 PM
 
Location: SLC
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all that matters is if it’s you or your loved ones and how long you need to pay
I agree with it. As an amateur statistician, mean estimates are absolutely worthless without looking at standard error.
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Old 04-08-2023, 02:42 PM
 
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I agree with it. As an amateur statistician, mean estimates are absolutely worthless without looking at standard error.
life insurers can pretty much tell us how many of us will die a year and to them it means a lot to know .

but since they can’t tell us who will die , those numbers mean very little to each one of us .

there are going to be people on the wrong side of a statistic always and without knowing if it’s us ,we need to plan like it will be

no one expected my dad to have a stroke and end up fully paralyzed and unable to speak ….

most of the time he didn’t know who we were .

he spent 5 years in a home impoverishing his wife
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Old 04-08-2023, 02:45 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Averages don't mean too much without the standard deviation. There can be a lot of disparity from the average. I worked with a woman who finally retired at age 84, went into assisted living the next week, and died a month later. Then there is my mother-in-law, who we put into an adult family home at age 83, and she died there at age 95, so 12 years later. My Mom is now 93 and is still in an apartment, not assisted living, though they do provide one meal a day and have emergency pull cords in the rooms.
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Old 04-08-2023, 04:48 PM
 
Location: S-E Michigan
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My Dad was in a Nursing Home for 3 years past his major stroke. Died at age 79.
My Mom was kept at her home, for 2 years after her major stroke. Died at age 81.
My Older Sister was in a Nursing Home for 4 months before her demise from multiple issues. Died at age 69.
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Old 04-08-2023, 06:31 PM
 
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Average? What good does that do for the individual? Depending on how this "average" is generated, something like 50% will reside in places like that for more or less time.

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Old 04-08-2023, 10:21 PM
 
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Google says 4% of people over 65 are in nursing homes, plus 2% in assisted living. So 94% of us hopefully won't need to move to one.

My grandpa & father in law were in nursing homes less than a year then passed away. No one else.
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Old 04-09-2023, 01:42 AM
 
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Google says 4% of people over 65 are in nursing homes, plus 2% in assisted living. So 94% of us hopefully won't need to move to one.

My grandpa & father in law were in nursing homes less than a year then passed away. No one else.
except those stats are a generation old .

the insurers thought those old stats were accurate ..far from it

most insurers pulled out of the long term care business because they can’t build accurate models for boomers who have not reached the sweet spot for care and already usage both in a facility and home are way way more then they thought
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Old 04-09-2023, 06:37 AM
 
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except those stats are a generation old .

the insurers thought those old stats were accurate ..far from it

most insurers pulled out of the long term care business because they can’t build accurate models for boomers who have not reached the sweet spot for care and already usage both in a facility and home are way way more then they thought
Do you think the percentages will change or just that the number of boomers is just higher?

The other thought, are we healthier than earlier generations because we have more info and better preventative care? Can we plan better to try and avoid going into assisted living or a nursing home?
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Old 04-09-2023, 06:45 AM
 
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Do you think the percentages will change or just that the number of boomers is just higher?

The other thought, are we healthier than earlier generations because we have more info and better preventative care? Can we plan better to try and avoid going into assisted living or a nursing home?
unlike previous generations family taking care of someone needing care is dramatically down as both people in a couple need to work .

those with insurance tend to use insurance for care

many like my father were taken care of off the grid …health care workers down in florida would take people like my dad in their home and provide 24/7 care at a lower price then a skilled nursing facility .

so even a lot of the previous usage went uncounted.

in home care has been sky rocketing too for insurers
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