03-05-2012, 12:48 AM
Location: Pomeroy, WA (Near Lewiston, ID)
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The reason they want fewer seats is not becuase they don't think people are capable of attending, it is to increase demand, which leads to (1) sellouts or (2) higher prices. Thats why in the case of the current coliseum, they tarp over certain sections.
03-05-2012, 11:02 AM
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krudmonk
If only it wasn't full of Giants fans, as they claim Santa Clara County to be...
It's not just a claim. Majority of SC County are Giants fans (still, even with all the transplants who may not have had a pro Giants proclivity at the outset).
03-05-2012, 03:09 PM
Location: yeah
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Yawn. But they dont use their platform to make sh*t up about how all signs are a go, when we now know that it appears a nuse is tightening around the whole San Jose thing.
In fact, Rich Lieberman put together this brutal assessment of how a SJ team would negatively affect the Giants:
RICH LIEBERMAN 415 MEDIA
How blind are you to miss that a successful team in Oakland is more detrimental to the Giants than a successful team in San Jose? Everyone with money invested in this is fighting over one territory while saying "you can have the other one." MLB, the A's and Giants already know it won't happen in Oakland, otherwise the Giants would be welcoming the A's to move much further away than they are now.
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BayAreaHillbilly
It's not just a claim. Majority of SC County are Giants fans (still, even with all the transplants who may not have had a pro Giants proclivity at the outset).
And the East Bay is full of Giants fans, too. Why do you think the bridge and BART were packed for the parade? There is no imaginary line of allegiances down the middle of the region like some seem to think.
03-05-2012, 07:58 PM
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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krudmonk
And the East Bay is full of Giants fans, too. Why do you think the bridge and BART were packed for the parade? There is no imaginary line of allegiances down the middle of the region like some seem to think.
This is true, and I'd say at least half of those who go to games regularly live in the areas south and east of the Coliseum (Livermore, Pleasanton, Fremont, etc) where a drive to downtown SJ isn't much further than they drive now. Once BART reaches San Jose I think public-transit wise it will be a wash either way.
03-05-2012, 10:52 PM
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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How blind are you to miss that a successful team in Oakland is more detrimental to the Giants than a successful team in San Jose?
Not in a million years is this even plausible. It makes me laugh in fact.
Larry Baer has stated on more than one occasion that losing San Jose would hurt them in such a way that they a payoff wouldnt be enough to make up for losses in attendance and revenue. Continuing to pretend that its easy as 1-2-3 for the Giants to lose Santa Clara is stupid, and tired.
So forgive me if I am just not drinking what your serving.
03-06-2012, 09:08 AM
Location: yeah
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Not in a million years is this even plausible. It makes me laugh in fact.
Larry Baer has stated on more than one occasion that losing San Jose would hurt them in such a way that they a payoff wouldnt be enough to make up for losses in attendance and revenue. Continuing to pretend that its easy as 1-2-3 for the Giants to lose Santa Clara is stupid, and tired.
So forgive me if I am just not drinking what your serving.
Then all you are doing is conceding that the A's would thrive more in San Jose. There is no reality in which the two teams would operate in bubbles, without influence from each other. A successful MLB franchise just 8 miles away is not something the Giants want, but it is something they've already dismissed as pure fantasy, which is why they can afford to gamble with forcing the A's hand.
03-06-2012, 04:40 PM
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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If Giants fans are so committed, so passionate about their team, why would they turn on them so quickly if the regional rival moved to another part of the Bay? If you argue the convenience thing, then you're saying there's no loyalty to the team - just a bunch of people looking for a place to eat hot dogs and Cracker Jacks.
03-06-2012, 11:00 PM
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Then all you are doing is conceding that the A's would thrive more in San Jose.
How you glean anything of the sort from anything in this thread is nonsense. LOL
03-06-2012, 11:03 PM
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03-07-2012, 06:18 AM
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From the article:But no matter which teams stay in Oakland, they'll have to help pay for a new stadium if they still want one, said Ignacio De La Fuente, Oakland city councilman and chair of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum board.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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