The Bay Area Soiled/Homeless/Infested/Trashed Containment Thread (San Francisco: commuting, bad areas)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

I recently went back to California to visit family and friends. I usually go 2x a year. For the first time I did not go into San Francisco or Oakland because it’s gone so far downhills
San Francisco is a jewel that needs to be saved.

I don't know where you are going in either City but I go to both regularly and don't have any problems.

[nowhereman427]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

I recently went back to California to visit family and friends. I usually go 2x a year. For the first time I did not go into San Francisco or Oakland because it’s gone so far downhills
San Francisco is a jewel that needs to be saved.

I cannot fault you there for not coming here or especially OAKLAND.

I am born and raised here and have seen the changes many decades over from when you could purchase a house in the Sunset on the beach for $45,000 to the current price now of 1.2+ million. Richmond district was $65,000+. We we didn't have homeless/drug addicts roaming the streets like zombies. When you could purchase a house in Monterey Heights for $47,000 or a nice decent home in Forrest Hill for $65,000+, Midtown Terrace for $77,000, Claradone Heights for $100,000. There were bad areas of the city like the Bayview/Hunters Point which remains to be one of the worst areas of SF that used to cost $19,000 now to the tune just under a mill. Ingleside/Ocean view area also for $19,000 to $29,000. Bernal Heights 19,000 to 25,000. Now I dare not touch any of these places NOW near the one mill mark. Lets not forget Visitaction Valley

We also didn't have all of the current ridiculous taxes that are nickel and diming us to death like today.

SF used to be a safe place to live back in the day.
Now with the highest property taxes as well as one of the most expensive places to live with a corrupt government system in City Hall with lots of graft and misleading things that go on behind city hall and the civil service system it is a lost cause.
Got to follow the $$$$ as it isn't being used for what it should be to effectively improve the city.

If tax payers only knew how their $$$ was being spent and used.

This once upon a time jewel has been stolen by criminals inside and outside, a corrupt system full of graft the government system as well as this messed up generation who want to change/erase SF history.

[aslowdodge]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I don't know where you are going in either City but I go to both regularly and don't have any problems.

Well maybe you’re used to it or don't see it as a problem. Maybe that is a problem in itself.
I know what they were before and didn’t see any reason to go visit a lesser version of what it was before.
My sister works in the city and is there probably more than you are. She says it is much worse and says panhandlers and homeless people are something she worries about now.
Men will ask her for money and if she says she doesn’t have any they will try to intimidate her by saying they accompany her to an atm.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Lots of hyperbole there friend. I have family who live in San Francisco and friends who live in Oakland, I visit both regularly. Yes, there's a homeless problem just as there is in almost all cities, it's exacerbated in San Francisco because of building density - no open fields or abandoned used car lots for the homeless to squat in so they occupy sidewalks. But if you know where you are going you are rarely be bothered by homeless. Oakland has a crime problem, but again if you use your head and stay away from areas known for muggings etc. you won't have any problems.

This is interesting...I guess San Francisco didn't quite make the cut for the 10 most dangerous cities for tourists in the US. So here's a fun thing you might do, go to the appropriate C-D topic for each city and write about how they live in a "fetid sinking ship" or a "maggot infested corpse" then come back and tell us how popular you were with the folks who in the forums
St. Louis
Mobile and Birmingham, Alabama
Baltimore Maryland
Memphis, Tennessee
Detroit, Michigan
Cleveland, Ohio
New Orleans, Louisiana
Shreveport, Louisiana
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
https://www.traveloffpath.com/this-i...ts-in-america/

Those cities didn’t have 17 stores recently close (I googled it) and a CNN van broken into that was in the city to do a story on crime in SF. SF numbers are lower because residents have given up and stopped reporting crime. It’s no wonder that more people are moving out of SF then any other Ca city. LA is second understandably

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

Those cities didn’t have 17 stores recently close (I googled it) and a CNN van broken into that was in the city to do a story on crime in SF. SF numbers are lower because residents have given up and stopped reporting crime. It’s no wonder that more people are moving out of SF then any other Ca city. LA is second understandably

This thread is about SF homelessness. Your post above reports store closings and crime and out migration … but fails to make any connection between those things and homelessness. If you have some documentation to tie it all together, please do post.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

Those cities didn’t have 17 stores recently close (I googled it) and a CNN van broken into that was in the city to do a story on crime in SF. SF numbers are lower because residents have given up and stopped reporting crime. It’s no wonder that more people are moving out of SF then any other Ca city. LA is second understandably

Here’s what I’m getting at:
Seattle, WA and San Francisco, CA are similar-sized cities (SF is actually a bit larger).

Seattle has nearly double the homeless numbers than does San Francisco.

Seattle was the fastest growing big city in America in 2022 despite having double the homeless.

So, if you can demonstrate that homelessness is why San Franciscans are bailing out of a slightly larger city that has half the homeless as Seattle … please do

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

This thread is about SF homelessness. Your post above reports store closings and crime and out migration … but fails to make any connection between those things and homelessness. If you have some documentation to tie it all together, please do post.

2sleepy posted about dangerous cities. I equate dangerous with crime more then homelessness but I agree they go together. I was replying to her post so…..

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Here’s what I’m getting at:
Seattle, WA and San Francisco, CA are similar-sized cities (SF is actually a bit larger).

Seattle has nearly double the homeless numbers than does San Francisco.

Seattle was the fastest growing big city in America in 2022 despite having double the homeless.

So, if you can demonstrate that homelessness is why San Franciscans are bailing out of a slightly larger city that has half the homeless as Seattle … please do

Seattle and Portland were also beautiful cities and are now pits of Hell. People are bailing out of all three once thriving cities. It’s tragic …

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

2sleepy posted about dangerous cities. I equate dangerous with crime more then homelessness but I agree they go together. I was replying to her post so…..

… so you have no answer to tie the topic and your unsubstantiated personal ‘feelings’ together … ok. Just checking. Topic is homelessness. You want to ‘equate” homelessness to crime as causation for dropping population numbers - even though there are many other documented factors behind recent population changes, including Covid and economics - and a parallel city with worse homelessness and growing urban street crime defies your “equation” by being the fastest growing big city in the nation.

Huh.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

… so you have no answer to tie the topic and your unsubstantiated personal ‘feelings’ together … ok. Just checking. Topic is homelessness. You want to ‘equate” homelessness to crime as causation for dropping population numbers - even though there are many other documented factors behind recent population changes, including Covid and economics - and a parallel city with worse homelessness and growing urban street crime defies your “equation” by being the fastest growing big city in the nation.

Huh.

I gave my answer. I can’t help it if you don’t understand. I think your going to have to back up that statement about Seattle being the fastest growing big city in the nation.