Bay Area Support for Sheltering in Place is Strongest in CA (hotels, buy)

[landlock]

It's fine if all these in-person small trade businesses close, if they can't maintain quality customer service online trading environment...
Nobody is obligated to "support" them.
It seems like buying anything from those small in-person businesses had been really bad, as they tend to overcharge and often have no-return policies, and online shopping from small businesses had been often so bad that one wouldn't want to touch that option again, especially since card security can often be compromised. I dk about small businesses, but freedom is important. They want capitalism? That's fine, so...if a small business cant' be competitive, then rip. None of these people gives a jack about anyone else anyway, while all suddenly sound like major do-gooders and owed something.

[TR95]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

And how many people will never step foot in those restaurants out of fear? Even if they fully open, these businesses aren't going to make it if they don't rethink their business model.

But, continue to follow Trump and FauxNews and pretend that this is all a big hoax. Let's see if you say the same if you or a family member become infected.

And the typical reply from a cult follower is to call them a trump supporter. Never said that and never said it was a hoax, but continue your ignorant comment about changing e-commerce business model. You’re clearly as sharp as a marble. So this is why you are so scared? Got a mother or grandmother in a nursing home? I would be too since they account for 50% of the deaths. My 90 yr old great aunt died in a nursing and doctors said it was Covid before the test even came back. That was two weeks ago and still waiting to see what the ultimate reason was. Carry on clueless person.

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[TR95]

Originally Posted by landlock

It's fine if all these in-person small trade businesses close, if they can't maintain quality customer service online trading environment...
Nobody is obligated to "support" them.
It seems like buying anything from those small in-person businesses had been really bad, as they tend to overcharge and often have no-return policies, and online shopping from small businesses had been often so bad that one wouldn't want to touch that option again, especially since card security can often be compromised. I dk about small businesses, but freedom is important. They want capitalism? That's fine, so...if a small business cant' be competitive, then rip. None of these people gives a jack about anyone else anyway, while all suddenly sound like major do-gooders and owed something.

Trouble is some of those small businesses were fine until socialism orders shut the economy down. The PPP program can work as long as you use the money within 2 months from receipt so it’s crucial to start opening again.

[llowllevellowll]

Originally Posted by Finper

Az opened a lot of businesses this weekend and there were lines out the door. I had to wait a hour to get a pedi. People being to afraid it go out in society and work again is your opinion. It’s being proven wrong in other states

You just moved here (Az). Arizona's case loads are on the rise as businesses re-open. You clearly hated California and wanted to move out, but the way California acted when it appeared they were going to be Wuhan West (particularly in San Jose and the Bay Area) is actually quite impressive. If you were following any of this at all with a more enlightened perspective, you'd retract that stupid statement comparing Newsom and Ducey.

Maricopa County has more than double the cases and deaths as San Jose now, and triple that of San Francisco with a LOT LESS people, less tourism or connection to Asia, and in a less dense environment. Those numbers in Arizona are also on the rise. Ducey never led anything during the pandemic; he let Trump's bipolarity dictate which direction he'd move into, which is why businesses are now re-opening despite an alarming rise in numbers, and FEMA models predicting much worse.

So, yeah, your interest in slinging bleep everywhere is really transparent politically.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by llowllevellowll

You just moved here (Az). Arizona's case loads are on the rise as businesses re-open. You clearly hated California and wanted to move out, but the way California acted when it appeared they were going to be Wuhan West (particularly in San Jose and the Bay Area) is actually quite impressive. If you were following any of this at all with a more enlightened perspective, you'd retract that stupid statement comparing Newsom and Ducey.

Maricopa County has more than double the cases and deaths as San Jose now, and triple that of San Francisco with a LOT LESS people, less tourism or connection to Asia, and in a less dense environment. Those numbers in Arizona are also on the rise. Ducey never led anything during the pandemic; he let Trump's bipolarity dictate which direction he'd move into, which is why businesses are now re-opening despite an alarming rise in numbers, and FEMA models predicting much worse.

So, yeah, your interest in slinging bleep everywhere is really transparent politically.

Ducey is slowly opening the whole state not Maricopa county. Az positives are 10,500 Ca positives are 64,500. What’s that about how great Newsome is again????

We can’t make the cure worse then the disease. Newsome is wrecking Ca economy and he needs to reverse course fast!

Let’s revisit this post in a week and compare states shall we??

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Finper

Ducey is slowly opening the whole state not Maricopa county. Az positives are 10,500 Ca positives are 64,500. What’s that about how great Newsome is again????

We can’t make the cure worse then the disease. Newsome is wrecking Ca economy and he needs to reverse course fast! Let’s revisit this post in a week and compare states shall we??

If you look at per capita #'s you don't get quite the dramatic impact that you were hoping for: California cases per 100k 168.9 Arizona cases per 100k 150.6

But this: "we can't make the cure worse than the disease" are you for real? That's a direct quote from Dear Leader who has everyone he sees tested for the virus, but tells us peons that testing isn't necessary. Sort of reminds me of Kim Jong Un putting up billboards admonishing people to give up lunch to save the nation while he waddles around like a little fat pig. I guess all autocrats are good at telling other people what to do but not following their own advice

[llowllevellowll]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

If you look at per capita #'s you don't get quite the dramatic impact that you were hoping for: California cases per 100k 168.9 Arizona cases per 100k 150.6

But this: "we can't make the cure worse than the disease" are you for real? That's a direct quote from Dear Leader who has everyone he sees tested for the virus, and it reminds me of Kim Jong Un putting up billboards admonishing people to give up lunch to save the nation while he waddles around like a little fat pig. I guess all autocrats are good at telling other people what to do but not following their own advice

Math and things like context escape some. Additionally, a lot of residents in Arizona are not currently present as we've been 100+ degree temperatures for the past week. And it entirely escapes Finper that Maricopa County is by far Ducey's most populous county and that it acts as a much better barometer of infection and performance than would say, Apache, Cochise, or Greenlee counties). https://ktar.com/story/3139523/arizo...ths-581-cases/

I also find it intriguing that nations whose governments are aspiring to tighten the noose of control upon its citizens are the ones having the hardest with this. Neither the U.S., Brazil, Russia, Iran, or the UK have reached their peak despite experiencing their outbreaks relatively early in the process.

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by TR95

My 90 yr old great aunt died in a nursing and doctors said it was Covid before the test even came back. That was two weeks ago and still waiting to see what the ultimate reason was. Carry on clueless person.

So many sad sheep here who think that if you question Dr. Tapper or Dr. Newsom you must be a Trump supporter.

[Ceece]

I don't see the problem with opening up and don't think of people as 'selfish jerks' for wanting to. Those who disagree can stay in quarantine. People know the risks, it's not the governments job to force them into a life they don't want in an attempt to prevent them from catching a virus that won't be deadly to the majority. I know my own personal risk thresholds and that should be the only thing that matters.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

They're saying double the amount of deaths by June. I agree that most people (80%+) are abiding by the rules. However, the 20% that are the selfish jerks are making it worse for the rest of us.

I agree that we're likely not going to be keeping the country closed. However, if our administration didn't have its head in the sand in the first place (e.g., a national strategy for testing, contact tracing, etc.) we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

What I'm saying is that the economic damage is inevitable at this point, regardless of whether we choose to open up or not, due to the incompetence of our government.

I'm going to put more blame on China and the WHO on this one because if it wasn't for the lies coming from them in Jan/Feb ("Wuhan virus is nothing to worry about") then the whole world would have been better off.