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Old 07-27-2017, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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The only argument I have ever heard that is presently relevant is kids are not standing at a bus stop in the dark in the winter.

I think it's stupid, much rather have light at the end of the day in winter than the morning.
I did the school bus thing in the dark during winter daylight savings time in 1974 and 1975. I survived it just fine. Of course it wasn't really dark, since I was catching the bus about 20 minutes before sunrise.

Kids in Alaska ride school busses both to and from school in complete darkness, and survive it. I would bet the most dangerous time for kids to catch a school bus would be right after sunrise, when drivers are likely to be blinded by the rising sun.
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Old 07-27-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Removing dead squirrel from dryer vent
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No DST means sunlight at 3:45am. Or worse, depending how far north you live.
That's when it's supposed to get light up there! Embrace it! Do some errands around the house. Surprise the family with an early breakfast. And go to bed earlier the night before.
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Old 07-29-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Spring Branch, Tx
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I don't like how late in the morning the sun rises and late in the evening it sets. It's hard to get your toddler to bed at 8 when all he can say is " why the sun is still out, it's not night time " .

Plus I'm accustomed to wake up to the sunrise in CA and AZ which is closer to 530-600 not 7am . Construction workers would benefit from more sunlight in am hours
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Removing dead squirrel from dryer vent
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I did the school bus thing in the dark during winter daylight savings time in 1974 and 1975. I survived it just fine. Of course it wasn't really dark, since I was catching the bus about 20 minutes before sunrise.

Kids in Alaska ride school busses both to and from school in complete darkness, and survive it. I would bet the most dangerous time for kids to catch a school bus would be right after sunrise, when drivers are likely to be blinded by the rising sun.
Not every place is Alaska - which hopefully isn't observing DST - meant for mid-latitudes.

There is only one period of the year when there should be 7-8am sunrises: Late November to late January. Not in March or October.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Des Moines Metro
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The older I get, the more I dislike switching back and forth. ONE TIME, all year long. I don't care what it is, just pick something and leave the clocks alone.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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The older I get, the more I dislike switching back and forth. ONE TIME, all year long. I don't care what it is, just pick something and leave the clocks alone.
I am actually proposing 'Half-Saving Time': Set clocks permanently one half-hour fast. I.E. 6:00am Standard becomes 6:30am HST.

Everyone gets a little of what they prefer: I get my natural 'early' sunrises, and everyone else gets lighter evenings. And nobody gets jolted by a time change 2x per year.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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[quote=bolonyokte;48959802]i don't understand how daylight time changes back and forth are really helping out with /QUOTE]

Daylgiht Savings Time is about a century old. Retailers, sporting goods makers, and other businesses benefit from extra afternoon sunlight, as it induces customers to shop and to participate in outdoor afternoon sports. In 1984, Fortune magazine estimated that a seven-week extension of DST would yield an additional $30 million for 7-Eleven stores, and the National Golf Foundation estimated the extension would increase golf industry revenues $200 million to $300 million.

While there are many critics of the practice, some people point out having 4 time zones for continental USA is actually the most expensive issue. Less than 7% of the country lives in Mountain Standard time. Efforts o reduce CONUS to 3 time zones would undoubtedly have the secondary effect of eliminating DST.

New York City
June 21 5:25 am 8:30 pm 15:05:35
Dec 21 7:16 am 4:31 pm 9:15:18

Phoenix
June 21 5:33 am 7:35 pm 14:01:58
Dec 21 7:28 am 5:24 pm 9:56:10

Los Angeles
June 21 5:42 am 8:07 pm 14:25:30
Dec 21 6:54 am 4:47 pm 9:53:05

Under the constriction to three time zones, the easiest solution is simply to move Pst to MST.
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Old 07-30-2017, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Stone Oak, San Antonio
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I've often thought that the whole world should just be on one time zone and we just get up according to the sun. Set your clocks 5 hours ahead right now and be done with it.

Time is all relative anyway.
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Old 07-31-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Removing dead squirrel from dryer vent
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I've often thought that the whole world should just be on one time zone and we just get up according to the sun. Set your clocks 5 hours ahead right now and be done with it.

Time is all relative anyway.
I'm a natural early riser. But the 10-11am sunrises resulting from your idea might change that!


Arizona, the only 1/48 that does not have DST, is in a perfect location as far as 'natural' DST goes. It is in the western half of its time zone - Mountain - so average local noon is around 12:20 Standard. This produces sunsets past 7:30pm during June and July, late enough for most people, and sunrises around 5:30 during those months.


Here in CT, in the eastern half of Eastern Time, local noon is around 11:55 Standard, but being further north thsn AZ, the difference between our June and December daylight is more pronounced.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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I love DST. I like the extra light in evening, where I can use it, rather than at 5am, which is too absurdly early to be of any real use to most people. I think we should keep the time change, but if we ever get rid of the time change, I hope DST would be the new permanent, rather than standard time.
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