09-11-2014, 12:38 PM
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I just realized that my husband wants to keep our 2002 car, (155,000 miles currently) and drive it out to Seattle when we move next Spring. I had the thought of selling our vehicle, flying everyone out one way, and purchasing an inexpensive replacement car sometime after we move.
It is 2785 miles to Seattle, and it would take 5 days driving 557 miles per day. We are a family of five. I have done the math, and it would be cheaper to fly by $250.
I also think it would be a miserable trip, with 2 young adult kids, and one 12 yr old. One day of 8 hours of driving in that small car sounds like punishment, let alone 5 consecutive days of that. It MIGHT be cool, if he were the type to drive the most scenic route to "see the sights" along the way. But, he is focused on "getting there", and stopping would be minimal.
Also, I would be concerned about weather at that time of year. Not sure what the best route would be to avoid any snow, or foul weather. I am sure whatever route we take would take us through some un- populated areas. What if the car breaks down? It has been a workhorse of a car so far, but, right now, I am praying that it makes it to April without any major mechanical issues that would require a large cash infusion.
I guess I am looking for advice on:
1. How to plan for the trip if we can not convince him of my idea. (what website would give alternate routes) Anyone done the long distance drive at that time of year? What can we expect as far as weather?
2. Thoughts on what might our best plan (way) to move our family? By the way, we will have no furniture, only 14 large boxes to ship. Plus whatever fits in luggage (or the car trunk).
09-11-2014, 01:36 PM
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Are you implying four or five people in such a car (small sedan), for five road-days? Long days? That would be like stuffing clowns in a VW Beetle, or frat boys in a phone booth: sounds funny, until you actually try it. By day three you'd be doing the Beverly Hillbillies thing, with one hanging on the roof in a rocking chair and other in the trunk, rumble seat-style.
There isn't any way to pack five days of supplies in such a thing, too, for 4-5 people. Assuming it doesn't overheat on a grade or smoke brakes down the other side.
Personally, I'd do that in 3 days, not five, but I'm a bit crazy once I get going. Must be a male gene, the "get the drive done" thing. 1,000 mile days are candy. That many people, not a chance in hell.
Weather may be friendly, it may be very dodgy. Hence the phrase, "April Showers Make May Flowers." I would bet the store on nothing, as far as that goes, though odds-are you'll be fine arcing a bit west and then north. There is no rock-solid answer to that question, or anything else involving weather. I keep the big drives to May and September, personally, thus "usually" avoiding too hot or too cold across much of the U.S. Sometimes I win, others not (got rained-on end of May this year).
Using IRS mileage rate, a generic formulate that theoretically includes fuel cost, depreciation, and more in one number, I come up with 23.5 cents/mile for medical or moving purposes, or $655 in expenses/depreciation en route. If your calculation is more-complete, power to you.
Probably a bit easier for y'all to take Amtrak or a flight via Mobile, leaving one hardy soul to drive that beaut out to Seattle. Not everyone. Having it hauled is probably the best move (least expensive, depending what your time is worth), though I'm guessing that's $800 and the car is worth maybe $3K on the open market? "Does not compute."
But in the end, you could look at it this way: I once had a professional peer from Kenya. He took one look at a sedan not terribly bigger than a Prizm, one day, and said, "Where I am from, such a vehicle can comfortably seat 11!" So it really depends on your perspective and pain-threshold, after all is said and done.
09-11-2014, 03:01 PM
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Hubby drives with any kids who want the adventure, everyone else flies
09-12-2014, 07:41 AM
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Hubby drives with any kids who want the adventure, everyone else flies
I agree, that's a good compromise. Even if the car holds up it could well be an adventure crossing the mountains depending on when you go. It's common to get snow in the Rockies and Sierras in April, even in the Cascades some years. I have seen it snow in June through Montana and Wyoming. Taking a southern route through Texas, New Mexico and Las Vegas into southern California and up I5 will take longer but you will only have to worry about the Northern Califiornia/Southern Oregon passes. We went through those this past April and had snow at the summit of the Siskiyous but it wasn't sticking. As for the car, with that model and mileage it's a gamble. It could be fine or it could conk out. I would definitely have a good mechanic go over it and start off with fresh oil and everything else verified to be in good shape when you start. Also, carry a few bottles of oil with you, and check it every time you get gas. It may burn some doing that many freeway miles. I have a friend with one that's at 180,000 and no problems but she would not attempt such a long trip, it's just a 15 mile commuter.
09-12-2014, 07:13 PM
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I dunno, if I were your husband I'd see that as a good excuse to buy a newer car - wife approved. Makes me think he has some sort of attachment to your current car, some guys tend to do that, especially if it was their first car. Either that or he doesn't want the hassle of shuttling kids through an airport...I don't even like shuttling myself through an airport.
09-12-2014, 09:06 PM
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Yes, we hate to fly..BUT a 6 hr flight vs. 41 hours in a cramped car. To me, there isn't even a question as to which one I would rather do.
I WOULD like to see the United States on our way, however, the highways tend to be boring. We would have to take secondary roads to really get the feel of the areas we are passing through. Hence, an even LONGER trip! AAGH!
Is anyone a AAA member? When I was a kid, I remember my mom going to AAA to get triptiks. The AAA lady would highlight the route we should take. It was always fun to "flip" to the next page on our trip. Of course, we had a Suburban pulling a trailer. My sister and I had plenty of space to spread out. So, does AAA still offer this service? It seems kind of antiquated now with the internet and computers. Just curious.
09-12-2014, 09:15 PM
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Yes, I'm a member and they still do the TripTiks, but I haven't used one in many years. The tour books are still handy but I used to have a Garmin, now just use the smartphone connected to the car by bluetooth. On that trip the data charges would get you for sure. I used a TripTik in 1971 when I drove from San Francisco north through Washington, east to the New England states and up to eastern Canada, down to Florida and back through the south. It was 18,000 miles in 10 weeks, in a 1964 Buick Skylark Wagon and cost $500 for gas at 25-30 cents a gallon. We hit over 40 states, and will never forget the experience, but you have to take time to explore along the way to get much out of it.
09-13-2014, 11:23 AM
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I disagree that you would need to see the country via secondary roads. You see lots of gorgeous scenery from the Interstates as well. I even thought parts of Western Kansas had their austere beauty. We drove from St. Louis to Seattle last summer in about 4 days. We had both of our cars (newer models) and we split the kids so we each had one. I would tell him that taking it a little slower is advisable for EVERYONE involved. I understand wanting to get there quickly as well, but if he's set on driving going pell mell it is likely to set you up for some issues at some point.
I would honestly advise to see about getting a new car to make the trip though. That is an old car and I would be VERY hesitant to drive it cross country like that. Just because it's a workhorse on the day to day local, doesn't mean it'll pass muster across the country with continuous driving. Might cost you significantly more if it breaks down in the middle of nowhere. As to weather, I would recommend the southern route vs the north route. You would only need to worry about the passes in Cali then.
09-14-2014, 06:14 PM
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I was just cooking dinner when I started whistling an old 50s song. For someone my age, 29, that's a somewhat odd occurrence but it dawned on me while I was whistling where I had heard that song: a roadtrip with my family. My family took maybe half a dozen road trips when I was a kid...they were all for family reunions or funerals, neither of which I considered entertaining prospects (I'm somewhat insular so an extended family reunion is on the same level as funeral...weird I know). However, those days we spent on the road are some of the clearest memories of my childhood...I don't know if I'd call them "happy" memories...but they weren't sad memories either...I can only call them formative.
So the reason for saying this is...don't rule out the drive just yet. Sure, it's probably going to be a long, boring drive for the most part but you could be creating some unique memories for your children that will stick with them for the rest of their lives. Of course I imagine this depends on the family.
09-14-2014, 06:35 PM
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I've done the cross country drive a few times. The last time was six years ago, and was just me, my wife, and the dog. If you had the time, and a much larger vehicle, it could be a fun trip. A 2002 Geo Prizm with 155,000 miles on it? It's probably a great car, very similar to a Corolla. But there's no real reason to do the trip. How about you all fly out here, shipping the boxes via Fed Ex ( they're supposed to be relatively inexpensive for that), and then when you get out here, you can seek out a 2002 Geo Prizm, if that's your thing.
Also, I think there are still driveaway services out there, where somebody drives the car out for you.
But yeah: Two adults, two young adult kids, and a twelve year old in a Geo Prizm crossing the country? I'd need some kind of major prescription drug to get through that. Hopefully your husband will come to his senses.
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Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)