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Old 05-29-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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As far as "tech" jobs goes what are we counting just the information sector? Or are Professional and Business Services counted?
Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC Economy at a Glance
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Old 05-29-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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Um...see, if you click on one of the links the CRDA article provided....the link goes to the Miliken Institutes in-depth national study. All of the CRDA statements used outside source numbers. And you are right...tech isn't a big part of Charleston's economy. That's why they use words like "emerging" and "growing".

No, you obviously don't understand the relationship Toyota has with Mexico. If you did...you'd know Charlotte, York, Greenville, Charleston, Raleigh, Columbia...never had any real shot at TM.

Yeah...if Toyota was honestly interested in Charleston, I'd be all for the state pursuing them..just like they did Boeing. But TM wasn't interested in Charleston. And they were just flirting with Charlotte. Their close ties with Mexico all but guaranteed Texas would get it. Which you'd know...had you read up a bit on the issue before commenting a lot on it....like I did
Have you looked at a map, their existing HQ is within a couple of hours from Mexico, a lot closer than Plano.

Charlotte was #2.

But again, you are missing the entire point, not surprised. So, simply stated, SC recruits manufacturing very well. SC lacks a presence of higher impact HQ functions. So, to round out the state's economic footprint, it makes sense to recruit HQ operations that current have no interest in Charleston or SC. I have shown you the potential numbers on a basic scale which you can't understand. So, I am not surprised that you keep trying desperately to make a point.

So, let's say GE want to move a major HQ to the south and wants a qualified deep labor force, access to good schools, and a busy airport, what should SC do? If you were Bobby Hitt, what would you do? Would you submit a proposal? If so, where in SC would you pitch? And why?
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Old 05-29-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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Charleston, a decent manufacturing backbone is growing and the schools are some of the best in the state, airport is the busiest in the state by a wide margin, one of the top ports in the country, etc etc

In terms of the labor force there are 18 thousand more people in the labor force compared to the Greenville metro, though there are 38k more people in the labor force in Colubmia's metro
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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As far as "tech" jobs goes what are we counting just the information sector? Or are Professional and Business Services counted?
Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC Economy at a Glance
The information sector is the one that by definition relates to software and other types of publishing by traditional means or over the internet. Professional includes accounting, advertising, etc....or providing business related or management services to others. I am sure there is some definitional issues related to classifications but places like San Jose have information sectors at over 60k, SF is over 50k, Austin is over 23k, Raleigh is over 18k and Charlotte sits at 22k. Columbia and Charleston are in the 5k range. Charleston is down YOY in prof Svc.

39% of Charleston's job base is government and trade (the port). Leisure and professional are the next two largest sectors. But, these are monthly numbers and will fluctuate on a real number basis.
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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Charleston, a decent manufacturing backbone is growing and the schools are some of the best in the state, airport is the busiest in the state by a wide margin, one of the top ports in the country, etc etc

In terms of the labor force there are 18 thousand more people in the labor force compared to the Greenville metro, though there are 38k more people in the labor force in Colubmia's metro
What about York?
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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Based off that chart Charleston is up 2% YoY.... seems to fluctuate a bit sure.... on the other hand looking at the Charlotte areas employment numbers it seems like quite a few people are leaving the job market, compared to Charleston where people are actually entering it....
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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What about York?
York is counted in the Charlotte metro area and there are a total of 920 thousand people in the labor force in April down from 925 in March, there are around 55k unemployed which comes out to about a 6% unemployment rate. To compare this to South Carolina both Charleston and Columbia had over a thousand people enter the work force between March and April, while Greenville had 1000 leave.
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Thanks for clearing up the Austin comment. Seems as though you finally understand considering back on page 6 you said Charleston has a higher share of tech jobs than Austin.

As for the article itself, like I said, it is a chamber piece written by a local with statement that could be made by a number of cities. Fact remains, insinuating Charleston is a tech player by writing that it had a higher percentage of tech growth than a very mature tech market is a stretch. Enron tried the same numbers manipulation with off balance sheet accounting and you see how legit that was. CRDA's job is to spin numbers is a favorable way, quoting that shows a lack of understanding. But, the intent of the article is to paint Charleston as a tech player. Same logic applies to DIG which you have used as a way to claim Charleston is a tech player. Well, DIG is a Charleston event started in Charleston.
Haha....wow. Um...higher share, as in higher % of its job growth. Or in other words...exactly what CRDA and the links said. Sure took a while to drag you to that.

DIG is in Charleston. Part of the very promising, emerging tech sector here.

Sure wish we could catch up to Charlotte, though, in the NASCAR culture, you guys have a monopoly on that market.
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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Have you looked at a map, their existing HQ is within a couple of hours from Mexico, a lot closer than Plano.

Charlotte was #2.

But again, you are missing the entire point, not surprised. So, simply stated, SC recruits manufacturing very well. SC lacks a presence of higher impact HQ functions. So, to round out the state's economic footprint, it makes sense to recruit HQ operations that current have no interest in Charleston or SC. I have shown you the potential numbers on a basic scale which you can't understand. So, I am not surprised that you keep trying desperately to make a point.

So, let's say GE want to move a major HQ to the south and wants a qualified deep labor force, access to good schools, and a busy airport, what should SC do? If you were Bobby Hitt, what would you do? Would you submit a proposal? If so, where in SC would you pitch? And why?
Hmm. I was pretty sure the articles said TM shocked its California based HQ and that many were concerned about a culture shock moving from Cali to Texas. Oh well.

I doubt GE would consider an HQ in any 3 of our main metros. They'd likely pick the Atlanta area.

But, once again, you run into politics. Our state is in the process of cutting budgets, and the people elect "small government" folks. That's fine...this isn't a political discussion. So, our resources are limited. Would it be wise to spend a ton of money organizing a recruiting campaign...for something we have no shot at anyway? No. Especially if sources say we don't have a shot anyway.

Charlotte was #2 for Toyota. A distant 2. They were going to Texas all along.
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:56 PM
 
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York is counted in the Charlotte metro area and there are a total of 920 thousand people in the labor force in April down from 925 in March, there are around 55k unemployed which comes out to about a 6% unemployment rate. To compare this to South Carolina both Charleston and Columbia had over a thousand people enter the work force between March and April, while Greenville had 1000 leave.
Greenville had 1000 people leave the work force? Do you have a link to your source? That's a pretty big hit and I've heard nothing about it.
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