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Old 03-15-2017, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by evilamai View Post
If the sun was 93 millions miles away, shouldn't the lines be more vertical?

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Old 03-15-2017, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike555 View Post
What possible reason could NASA have for conspiring to mislead the public regarding . . . ANYTHING? Can you think of a legitimate reason. A general mistrust of the government doesn't qualify as a legitimate reason.
Originally Posted by LAX Star View Post
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge space and rocketry and NASA nerd, but I can think of many reasons they would deliberately mislead the public. They have done so many times. Anything that would justify extra research of spending or projects on their part would constitute for them plenty of reason to disseminate misinformation.

They did do continually throughout the cold war. By claiming the USSR was ahead of us in many categories. And that it loses a threat. They were not and did not.
What did NASA claim about the USSR? I think you're confusing NASA and intelligence services.

Originally Posted by LAX Star View Post
They continually overstate the applicable usefulness to us the public from the stuff they discover during their projects. The ISS for example, has yielded badly anything of worth. Other than to show they can do it. Mars? Same deal. So what if they find microbial life? We already know its out there.
"We should go to Mars to see if there is microbial life there" is not a lie - it's a statement of opinion. It's no more a lie than if you say "We shouldn't go to Mars to see if there's microbial life there" is a lie. Again, that's just an opinion on what we should do or should not do.

Whether or not something is worth doing is a matter of opinion. Trying to pass that off as lying is disingenuous.

Originally Posted by LAX Star View Post
The space shuttle program was useless. And they lied about the info they had about those O Rings before the Challenger launched.
Now that statement by you does border on a lie. The space shuttle program had all sorts of uses. You may think them unwise allocations of resources, but the shuttle did many things - by definition, it was not useless.

Originally Posted by LAX Star View Post
They have deliberately lied about being able to maybe....If they just have more time and money....Bring able to develop technology that can destroy a potentially deadly NEO. They really lied during the early days for the Space Race, when half the tickets we tested failed on the launch pad.
You really don't appear to understand the nature of lying. Someone who thinks something can be done, which you don't think can be done, isn't lying. If anything, they're simply wrong. Or you're the one who is wrong.

Originally Posted by LAX Star View Post
They lied about the innocence of Werner von Braun. That man was as guilty of condoning murder and genocide as Hitler. I can provide sources on that if you wish. Or on any of this.
Please do. I'd be fascinated to read a NASA statement on the innocence of Werner von Braun. I highly doubt any such thing exists. In this case, I suspect you are confusing NASA with the State Department and other agencies which had precisely nothing to do with NASA (for the rather pertinent reason that NASA would not exist yet for over a decade) which whitewashed Von Braun's activities in the Third Reich. NASA didn't 'hire' Von Braun - NASA was created by federal legislation which consolidated a number of existed organizations into NASA, and Von Braun became a part of NASA by virtue of that legislation.

The idea that NASA was supposed to have removed Von Braun because it disagreed with State and the intelligence services determinations regarding Von Braun's World War II role is ludicrous - that is not the province of NASA.

Originally Posted by LAX Star View Post
Hope this helps.
It does. But not in favor of your point.

And it certainly does absolutely nothing to suggest why NASA would try to conceal the distance to the Sun, or that it is even capable of doing so.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:21 PM
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The earth's average distance from the sun is 93 million miles, not because it's what I've heard since I was a child, but because it is, as has been confirmed by accurate scientific measurements. At its closest the earth is 91.4 million miles from the sun. At its furthest the earth is 94.5 million miles from the sun.

Italian astronomer Giovanni Cassini in the 17th century came within 6 percent of determining the earth's distance from the sun by using trigonometry as he studied the planet Mars from different points on Earth. But with today's modern instruments we can determine the distance very accurately.

Earth-Sun Distance Measurement Redefined

And guess what? We can determine how far Pluto is from the earth at any given time. The distance changes. Currently Pluto is 3.13 billion miles from earth. Without knowing the precise location and distance of Pluto from the earth we could not have sent the New Horizons space craft to Pluto.

Here is a great picture of Pluto and its moon Charon taken by the New Horizons space craft as it sped by.

pictures of pluto - Bing images

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Old 03-16-2017, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 0marvin0 View Post
I love this thread. But it does reinforce my assertion that CD needs a sarcasm font.
Sarcasm font (or color rather)
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