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Ok, but what about when kids excell with virtually no parental guidance or motivating encouragment? What about when kids are motivated solely due to the teacher's efforts and devotion to what he or she is doing? There are a lot of very successful people out there who had no parental help in their education. It was all the teachers doing their jobs.
I had poor teachers and a lack of parental guidance, and excelled. It's really a triangle here, parent-student-teacher. You'll fail if all 3 are bad, but really, if you have a motivated independent student, you'll achieve even without the other two.
Quality of education relies so much on the support that is received by home and the community. The schools that are struggling have limited funds and limited support on all accounts. The highest quality teachers are not in the lowest performing schools, lets face it. Even if the lowest performing schools had the highest quality teachers and administrators, you are still missing an important part of the equation, that is home and the community. You can not blame it on the kids when they are led by example. Teachers can work their tails off with the kids during the day, but if there is no one to help with homework or to support the child when they get home, then what happens.
More often than not the students in the lowest performing schools started out behind the curve because no one read to them or started on teaching the alphabet before school started. When you start off behind the curve, then it is an up hill battle.
So maybe we need to send the lowest performing students to the highest performing schools and see if that makes a difference? There is not a simple solution, and so much of it starts at home. We need to build better communities to build better schools. We also need some parenting classes........
Funny how teachers always blame the parents and community. Always.
Before I went to kindergarten, I didn't know the alphabet. No one read to me. Nobody did back then. Kids were taught the alphabet etc. in kindergarten. How do you think the greatest minds on earth grew from such 'negligence' over time? Because we had no frills, honest to goodness educations with teachers who insisted we learn.
How do you suppose some school that is losing academically can hire a principal who gets behind the teachers and INSISTS on them educating the kids can turn a school completely around to graduate kids who go on to college and successful lives? It has happened many times in some of the worst communities. The parents don't change. The community doesn't change. Only the teachers and admin. change. Go figure.
The question is, if the schools are powerless to educate our children because of the overwhelming family and societal problems then why are we spending so much money on Government run schools? By their own admission the teachers are not able to overcome these problems so shouldn't we just fire them all?
You must be reading my mind.
Why are teachers getting paid $75,000/yr +- to babysit (That's what they must be doing since it's the parents and community that should be doing the educating according to teachers.) with all the benefits and insurance provided?
Shoot, I'll just keep my child out since I'm the one teachers blame for my child not being educated. In fact, all parents should be keeping their kids out of schools since they are not there for an education.
Teachers shouldn't complain with the money and benefits they get for babysitting all day for 9 months out of the year.
Parents should educate their children, then send them to school for what?? Why are we sending our kids to school? Seriously.
I agree with your complaints. That is why online courses should be made available to students by 5th grade. Attending school is an antiquated waste. Too many teachers and principles are fascist BSers that engulf education in dirty politics. The educational corruption gets even worse in some universities.
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You must be reading my mind.
Why are teachers getting paid $75,000/yr +- to babysit (That's what they must be doing since it's the parents and community that should be doing the educating according to teachers.) with all the benefits and insurance provided?
Shoot, I'll just keep my child out since I'm the one teachers blame for my child not being educated. In fact, all parents should be keeping their kids out of schools since they are not there for an education.
Teachers shouldn't complain with the money and benefits they get for babysitting all day for 9 months out of the year.
Parents should educate their children, then send them to school for what?? Why are we sending our kids to school? Seriously.
Here's the thing about blaming teachers. When an entire school is failing, the reason is because of the school culture. The school culture is developed from several contributing factors. In no particular order - the teachers' lack of expectations in their students, the principal for hiring and allowing such teachers to remain at the school, the students for not giving a crap, the parents for not only being uninterested in their child's academic failure but actually defending their child's misbehavior.
You can't blame a failing school on the teachers. I believe every school has at least one horrible teacher that is either lazy or disinterested. However, if that's true, then every school must have at least one amazing teacher. If a school's test scores are crappy, then that's the school culture.
Here's the thing about blaming teachers. When an entire school is failing, the reason is because of the school culture. The school culture is developed from several contributing factors. In no particular order - the teachers' lack of expectations in their students, the principal for hiring and allowing such teachers to remain at the school, the students for not giving a crap, the parents for not only being uninterested in their child's academic failure but actually defending their child's misbehavior.
You can't blame a failing school on the teachers. I believe every school has at least one horrible teacher that is either lazy or disinterested. However, if that's true, then every school must have at least one amazing teacher. If a school's test scores are crappy, then that's the school culture.
You make a very good point. Every school I've ever been in (my children's included) had some fantastic teachers and some lousy ones. That being the case, it's a tough argument to blame the teachers.
It's the whole group conformity/team work concept that is dumbing everyone down.
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Here's the thing about blaming teachers. When an entire school is failing, the reason is because of the school culture. The school culture is developed from several contributing factors. In no particular order - the teachers' lack of expectations in their students, the principal for hiring and allowing such teachers to remain at the school, the students for not giving a crap, the parents for not only being uninterested in their child's academic failure but actually defending their child's misbehavior.
You can't blame a failing school on the teachers. I believe every school has at least one horrible teacher that is either lazy or disinterested. However, if that's true, then every school must have at least one amazing teacher. If a school's test scores are crappy, then that's the school culture.
I agree with your complaints. That is why online courses should be made available to students by 5th grade. Attending school is an antiquated waste. Too many teachers and principles are fascist BSers that engulf education in dirty politics. The educational corruption gets even worse in some universities.
You should be in my district. We have the best schools in the county, AND if you want to take on-line courses, you can enroll in our district operated cyber-school and still have assemblies, field trips, and sports that you would have if you were actually enrolled in classes, plus an individualized teacher to help you with your lessons. And you don't have to wait until 5th grade to get it!
There are many wonderful districts; I'm sorry that you've not had the opportunity to experience one.
Wow. That is progressive. Unfortunately I went to school in the south. The students were stratified in rather unethical ways. And the education quality ranged in quality. What state is this amazing school located?
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You should be in my district. We have the best schools in the county, AND if you want to take on-line courses, you can enroll in our district operated cyber-school and still have assemblies, field trips, and sports that you would have if you were actually enrolled in classes, plus an individualized teacher to help you with your lessons. And you don't have to wait until 5th grade to get it!
There are many wonderful districts; I'm sorry that you've not had the opportunity to experience one.
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In fact, all parents should be keeping their kids out of schools since they are not there for an education. 
Why are we sending our kids to school? Seriously.
