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Old 07-31-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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The biggest problem with the republican party is FOX NEWS.
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Old 08-01-2010, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Ah Fox News, how I hate thee. About 10 years ago I thought Bill O reilly was just as bad as it gets, but now compared to Hannity and that plump faced one, O 'Reilly seems like a reasonable newsperson
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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The more illegals we convert to Evangelical (Fundamentalist) Protestantism, the better!
Or, "The more illegals that drop money in the collection plate, the better."
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Old 08-02-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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However, in the end it was shot down by those on the far right who didn't want "amnesty"

Well, when you really think about it, anything of any sort that rewards having entered this country illegally is not really the best option, IMNSHO. They broke the law to begin with, so I don't see that any amnesty or reward of any kind is in order.

But....the debate rages on....LOL!!
I dunno, it's gotta be better to have them become citizens and start paying taxes than having them not be citizens, use lots of social services, and not pay taxes. Right? Now whether they'd actually want to become citzens or if they did would they pay any taxes anyway is whole 'nother debate.
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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I dunno, it's gotta be better to have them become citizens and start paying taxes than having them not be citizens, use lots of social services, and not pay taxes. Right? Now whether they'd actually want to become citzens or if they did would they pay any taxes anyway is whole 'nother debate.
Well, good points, especially the way they bleed social services.....but I'd just as soon they pay taxes but not ever get ahead in line of those who are doing it the right way.

If there are illegals who pay taxes but never get any social security back from same, that's no more than they deserve for having entered illegally.

I have NO sympathy for any of them.
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Well, good points, especially the way they bleed social services.....but I'd just as soon they pay taxes but not ever get ahead in line of those who are doing it the right way.

If there are illegals who pay taxes but never get any social security back from same, that's no more than they deserve for having entered illegally.

I have NO sympathy for any of them.
Well I don't think I'd be too upset if as a condition of their application for citizenship they go to the back of the line in the application process and they have to pay taxes each and every year up to becoming a citizen (and after as well obviously). This might be too much of a disincentive for them to become citizens so who knows if it would work... seems about as reasonable as anything I've heard though.
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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Well I don't think I'd be too upset if as a condition of their application for citizenship they go to the back of the line in the application process and they have to pay taxes each and every year up to becoming a citizen (and after as well obviously). This might be too much of a disincentive for them to become citizens so who knows if it would work... seems about as reasonable as anything I've heard though.
Disencentive just about covers it.

That is why I have a problem with amnesty. Reagan (against his better judgement and later admitting that the whole thing was a gross mistake) granted an amnesty in 1996 (or was it 1994??).....we see what happened with that.

That's why I think that the better option would be to have every single one of them deported--and then applying the right way (existing immigration laws applying here) from their home countries.

Those who have done it the right way should be the most POed at this point. It is just not fair to them.
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:52 PM
 
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Disencentive just about covers it.

That is why I have a problem with amnesty. Reagan (against his better judgement and later admitting that the whole thing was a gross mistake) granted an amnesty in 1996 (or was it 1994??).....we see what happened with that.

That's why I think that the better option would be to have every single one of them deported--and then applying the right way (existing immigration laws applying here) from their home countries.

Those who have done it the right way should be the most POed at this point. It is just not fair to them.
In total agreement. The whole amnesty thing got started with Carter and it escalated from there. And will continue to do so unless this insanity of it being a solution, is stopped.

As to the orignial topic, I am a very skeptical about the division among conservatives being between "evangelicals" and "hard-liners" in the GOP. The division terminology just doesn't quite make sense.

Just IMHO, the real division involves (and there are overlaps to be sure) the Big Business group who see illegal aliens as a source of cheap labor and for that reason, are willing to ignore the consequences...and those who actually have to pay the costs in terms of taxes, high crime rates, etc.

Personally, while I would like to see a massive deportation effort, I realize that is not possible without a concerted and costly and united endeavor. Which is not going to happen, unfortunately. I favor a heavy crackdown on businesses which hire illegals. Make 'em pay...five thousand dollars (or whatever ) every day!
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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Personally, while I would like to see a massive deportation effort, I realize that is not possible without a concerted and costly and united endeavor. Which is not going to happen, unfortunately. I favor a heavy crackdown on businesses which hire illegals. Make 'em pay...five thousand dollars (or whatever ) every day!

You got it, TR!

But....as you stated....unfortunately....not gonna happen.
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Old 08-03-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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In total agreement. The whole amnesty thing got started with Carter and it escalated from there. And will continue to do so unless this insanity of it being a solution, is stopped.

As to the orignial topic, I am a very skeptical about the division among conservatives being between "evangelicals" and "hard-liners" in the GOP. The division terminology just doesn't quite make sense.

Just IMHO, the real division involves (and there are overlaps to be sure) the Big Business group who see illegal aliens as a source of cheap labor and for that reason, are willing to ignore the consequences...and those who actually have to pay the costs in terms of taxes, high crime rates, etc.

Personally, while I would like to see a massive deportation effort, I realize that is not possible without a concerted and costly and united endeavor. Which is not going to happen, unfortunately. I favor a heavy crackdown on businesses which hire illegals. Make 'em pay...five thousand dollars (or whatever ) every day!
Now I agree with you but don't blame Carter blame Ronald Reagan amnesty 1986 for this mess.
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