Obama: 'TX Pressure Congress to pass my agenda' (Lubbock, West: crimes, school)

[turkeytrot]

Originally Posted by Fillmont

And homosexuality is an orientation, not a decision.

Whatever makes you sleep better.

[Fillmont]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

Whatever makes you sleep better.

Yes, knowing the truth is a nice way to go to bed every night.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

Another diversion. In order to normalize and gain sympathy attempt to link them to the civil rights movement of the 1950's and 60's. Afro-Americans are a race of people not a decision.

Neither is being gay. No marginalization has taken place. They aren't the same, but in both cases you're dealing with groups that were/are denied rights for something they can't help.

You are the one repeating the lie. You're providing the diversion, not me.

[Fillmont]

turkeytrot, I apologize if you've already answered this, and if you have maybe you can just point me to where you've answered it, but what is your alternative? That gay and lesbian people just...ignore their orientation? Should they not be able to find love? Is that what we should all strive for? "You're not normal, so give up any hope of being happy. It's just the way things should be."

Or are you of the opinion that you can stop being homosexual - and I don't mean to not act on it, but to actually stop having homosexual desires?

[doctorjef]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

For that answer you can go back a few pages and read it, I'm tired of re-posting for those who won't read.

You're one of those who want to insist there is anger when a there is an opposing view in a dialog.
I can assure you and anyone else my emotions have not gotten the better of me. An attempt at insulting me or trying to belittle me fails for I do not hand my emotions over so easily.
What you attempted is a form of peer pressure but I don't bow to it.
Your attempt did make me chuckle though.

I do have a question for you though. Have you lived in this part Texas or just took someones word for what goes on in Texas? An honest question.

Went to high school in Lubbock as well as one year at Texas Tech. That was in the early 1970s. Have lived later in Fort Worth, Mineral Wells, Beaumont, Austin. I know Texas.

[turkeytrot]

Originally Posted by justme02

Neither is being gay. No marginalization has taken place. They aren't the same, but in both cases you're dealing with groups that were/are denied rights for something they can't help.

You are the one repeating the lie. You're providing the diversion, not me.

I beg to differ. If it was a normal lifestyle the strategy of normalizing wouldn't have been pushed.
I don't hate people, what I do hate is the sense that one group should take away the rights of others so they can feel good about themselves or accepted.

[turkeytrot]

Originally Posted by doctorjef

Went to high school in Lubbock as well as one year at Texas Tech. That was in the early 1970s. Have lived later in Fort Worth, Mineral Wells, Beaumont, Austin. I know Texas.

You obviously don't know it now. I moved to just south of Amarillo in 2000 from the DFW area and the first thing I noticed wasn't the working ranches or what one might expect out here it was the number of homosexuals. Males acting and trying to look like females and females acting and dressing like males.
Not the strange assortment of people that you see at Walmart late at night.
You may have known Texas but it's not that way anymore.

[doctorjef]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

I beg to differ. If it was a normal lifestyle the strategy of normalizing wouldn't have been pushed.
I don't hate people, what I do hate is the sense that one group should take away the rights of others so they can feel good about themselves or accepted.

And this seems to be the crux of the matter, as far as you are willing to state it. But what rights are gay people taking away from you? The right to get married? The benefits of being able to sponsor a spouse for immigration purposes, file a joint tax return, have social security survivor benefits, etc, etc? And I'm only citing a few federal rights and benefits here, not the many that fall under the purview of the individual states. No: you aren't losing any rights or benefits. Rather, it is socially contributing, tax paying gay and lesbian American citizens who are without full rights and equality before the law.

What you are talking about amounts to privileging one group of persons - heterosexuals - above another group of citizens, homosexual persons. You justify it by calling us "not normal", which translates to "unequal" -- just as African-Americans were once "inferior" and therefore held unequal before the law, denied basic human rights and routinely discriminated against.

[doctorjef]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

You obviously don't know it now. I moved to just south of Amarillo in 2000 from the DFW area and the first thing I noticed wasn't the working ranches or what one might expect out here it was the number of homosexuals. Males acting and trying to look like females and females acting and dressing like males.
Not the strange assortment of people that you see at Walmart late at night.
You may have known Texas but it's not that way anymore.

Oh yeah, I'm sure rural West Texas is just swarming with drag queens and bull dykes One of the things that happens in such places, however, is that people who don't have the wherewithall and courage to leave, and who are unable to closet themselves in a heterosexual marriage, sometimes do manifest a combination of protest and personal pain by affecting a silly caricature of male or female homosexuality. Actually, some of those folks may not be gay or lesbian at all, but rather trans-gender people who again feel stuck in their environment, haven't the courage or imagination or intelligence to get out, and who act contrary to manifest biological gender because they actually have the psychological identity of the opposite gender. In any event, as a late adolescent in Lubbock, a couple of the most stereotyped effiminate gay males I've ever run across were right there in the Hub. One of these was a young man who had previously lived in Morton (I knew several kids from that town - long story) and had moved to Lubbock I guess to improve his lot in life, so I suppose that took a bit of imagination on his part, though he still seemed isolated, stuck in a stereotype that even back then was past its sell-by date, and kind of pathetic. So I'm not entirely surprised when you tell me you see these caricatures out there who are sixty years out of date in terms of the way they present (think Quentin Crisp coming out in 1940s Britain and you will have the type, only without Crisp's talents as a writer and self-promoter).

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

I beg to differ. If it was a normal lifestyle the strategy of normalizing wouldn't have been pushed.
I don't hate people, what I do hate is the sense that one group should take away the rights of others so they can feel good about themselves or accepted.

First off I never accused you of being hateful.

Secondly, what rights are being taken from others?