Obama: 'TX Pressure Congress to pass my agenda' (Houston, Dallas: attorney, live in)

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

It's not that I don't care it's that it shouldn't be my issue. That's your issue and you deal with it and leave me alone. Why should your decision jeopardize my job?

Well, first off Im not gay.

Secondly, your point seems to be that being gay is a choice and it is not.

Thirdly, the right to bear arms is something I care zero about making it "not my issue". But Im not going to stand in the way of people who want to carry or try to dehumanize people who want to carry.

My whole point focuses on the legality of gay rights, not the religious aspect.

[turkeytrot]

Originally Posted by justme02

Well, first off Im not gay.

Secondly, your point seems to be that being gay is a choice and it is not.

Thirdly, the right to bear arms is something I care zero about making it "not my issue". But Im not going to stand in the way of people who want to carry or try to dehumanize people who want to carry.

My whole point focuses on the legality of gay rights, not the religious aspect.

On one point I stand corrected.

Frank Kameny, had a key role in pressuring the American Psychiatric Association to reclassify homosexuals as normal. To accomplish this means it had to be "normalized." Or, it wasn't normal to begin with so wool had to be fabricated to pull over people's eyes.
He's also the same guy who a few years ago who used the same argument regarding bestiality, "as long as the animal doesn't mind."

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

Frank Kameny, had a key role in pressuring the American Psychiatric Association to reclassify homosexuals as normal. To accomplish this means it had to be "normalized." Or, it wasn't normal to begin with so wool had to be fabricated to pull over people's eyes.
He's also the same guy who a few years ago who used the same argument regarding bestiality, "as long as the animal doesn't mind."

Have you ever been close with or spent significant time with someone who is gay?

[turkeytrot]

Originally Posted by justme02

Have you ever been close with or spent significant time with someone who is gay?

If you had read my first post you would know I have cousin that's gay. He came around to family gatherings for years after he "came out" and was treated as he was before. He's family but he decided to separate for a lie.
You still haven't answered the question I asked with in my earlier post, I'll rephrase it.

It's not that I don't care it's that it shouldn't be my issue. That's their issue and they should deal with it and leave me alone. Why should their decision jeopardize my job?

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by turkeytrot

It's not that I don't care it's that it shouldn't be my issue. That's their issue and they should deal with it and leave me alone. Why should their decision jeopardize my job?

I did answer youre question, being gay is not a choice. There is no decision to it. It something your born with.

What Im arguing is not that attending pride week should be manditory for everyone, but just that they should not be able to be fired simply for being gay and no other reason. That does happen even if its not as rampant as it once was. Im not saying that everyone has to celebrate it, just let them live their lives uninterupted.

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by justme02

I did answer youre question, being gay is not a choice. There is no decision to it. It something your born with.

That is a belief, not a fact.

From a scientific standpoint, it's more complex than most realize. But the "gay gene" theory was debunked in the 90's.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

That is a belief, not a fact.

From a scientific standpoint, it's more complex than most realize. But the "gay gene" theory was debunked in the 90's.

No one said it was a gene, but just because it is not genetic does not mean its a choice.

We currently do not know exactly what causes homosexual attractions, but again have you ever really talked to someone who has tried to fight it all their life? My best friend lost his entire family because of it. Its not simply because he gave into sin, its because he spent the first 23 years of his life trying to be straight with no success. If you want to look him in the eye and tell him he choose that, be my guest.

To what the exact cause is, there was a study recently dont that hypothesizes its due to development in the womb.

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[lonestar2007]

Originally Posted by RonnieinDallas

I find the bold statements morally corrupt. I know dozens of gay and lesbian soldiers who risked their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan serving this country, only to come back home as second class citizens. I know they are happy to have a president who is concerned about their rights!

Odd choice of words (morally corrupt).

Anyway, moving forward, I've known hundreds of soldiers who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan to come back home to an assortment of problems. Some were met with belligerence, some returned home with severe physical problems, many came home to face personal demons due to the violent trauma, yet I recall none getting a personal call from our commander-in-chief congratulating them on their courage.

I will not retract nor apologize for my statements regarding the president making such a call. I regard it as an insult to the majority of Americans to make such a politically charged and blatantly biased and prejudiced action in favor of one person/select group.

This was simply political and nothing more and I find it disgraceful.

Then this same person urges the thriving state of Texas to follow his failing policies. Well, gee, I'll let you fill in the blanks on this one.

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by lonestar2007

Odd choice of words (morally corrupt).

Anyway, moving forward, I've known hundreds of soldiers who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan to come back home to an assortment of problems. Some were met with belligerence, some returned home with severe physical problems, many came home to face personal demons due to the violent trauma, yet I recall none getting a personal call from our commander-in-chief congratulating them on their courage.

I will not retract nor apologize for my statements regarding the president making such a call. I regard it as an insult to the majority of Americans to make such a politically charged and blatantly biased and prejudiced action in favor of one person/select group.

This was simply political and nothing more and I find it disgraceful.

Then this same person urges the thriving state of Texas to follow his failing policies. Well, gee, I'll let you fill in the blanks on this one.

Tried to rep....etc.

It is indeed disgraceful--but no surprise. The whole thing was just disgusting to the max.

[doctorjef]

This thread was mis-titled. It should have been "The Texan Hate on Obama and Gay Folks Thread". Well, carry on.